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    What are all those lego companies? —David Buhl
   Hi there, I maid have some stupid questions (even if there is no such thing, only stupid answers exist), but I want to start my search of knowledge from the very beginning. I just ordered a RIS 1.5 and can't wait until I get it. I'm completely new (...) (24 years ago, 15-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: What are all those lego companies? —Steve Baker
     (...) They are just product lines - and they all work together. Basic - Just bricks...LOTS of bricks. Technics - is regular Lego 'bricks' with the addition of gears and beams with holes and stuff - but no computers or sensors - and very few (if any) (...) (24 years ago, 15-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: What are all those lego companies? —Micah J. Mabelitini
      (...) <snip> (...) <snip> Not to confuse the thread originator, but the Technic line is no stranger to computers, sensors or motors. Both the Control Center and Cybermaster are programmable computers, and the Cybermaster uses sensors similar to (...) (24 years ago, 15-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Vihung Marathe
       (...) You also failed to mention the Lego trains. I grew up with the railway sets as an integral part of my [basic] Lego collection in the early 80s. Since then they have been motorised, electrified and controllable (==programmable?). (24 years ago, 15-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Matthias Jetleb
      (...) Where does one get CYBERMASTER and CONTROL CENTER anyway? Matthias Jetleb VA3-MWJ (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Micah J. Mabelitini
      You can get the Control Center for $85.00 US from Pitsco ((URL) but I think Cybermaster is Europe-only. (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Keith Baker
      (...) In the US Cybermaster can be found on ebay for around $100 to $125. (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: What are all those lego companies? —Matthias Jetleb
     (...) You left out PRIMO (aka BABY). These are aimed specifically at the 0 - 2 age group. They connect with DUPLO on the bottom and a few speciallized pices connect with DUPLO on the top to allow a transition from one product line to another. The (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: What are all those lego companies? —David Buhl
    "Cyborg" <cyborg@euroseek.com> wrote in message news:G8s9A8.Lpx@lugnet.com... ---snip (...) ----snip First of all, thanks for the great information (especially Steve Baker) You guys really know your stuff. The RIS 1.5 arrived today, so did my Droid (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: What are all those lego companies? —Steve Baker
     (...) (Your English is *excellent* - no need to apologise) Well, this is something that programmers have 'grown up with' and are rarely forced to reflect upon...but since you ask. For people like me who have been writing C code for nearly 30 (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: What are all those lego companies? —Malcolm S. Powell
     (...) Tick. VG. (...) This is only due to inertia in the programming language world. Given the speed of current hardware, lexical efficiency is no longer as important as it used to be. It is quite possible to design language implementations that (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: What are all those lego companies? —Sue & Francois
      (...) speed of current (...) It is quite (...) identifiers. It might be quite possible but that would be terribly wrong, and would not be C anymore. It also would "quite possible" for a computer to understand natural language but AFAIK no such thing (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Barbara Nostrand
       Hi. (...) I think that this response rather misses the point as does the original question misunderstand the problem. The problem has nothing to do with hardware implementation. C was originally designed to be compiled on a computer with a disk (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Matthias Jetleb
      (...) Evidently a Microsoft employee. (or maybe Lego S@H webpage designer??) :-) (Sorry, I tried, but I just couldn't let that one go.) (-: (...) A touch grumpy today are we? Did you wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning?? You might consider (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Malcolm S. Powell
      (...) Yes, this was the gist of my point. Getting the high level organization right reduces the amount of source text you need to produce to get the job done far more than the odd keystrokes you save by missing out layout characters. In the 30 plus (...) (24 years ago, 19-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: What are all those lego companies? —Steve Baker
      (...) Yes - that's true - but currently, I can't think of a single language that does that, so as a practical answer to the original (and very valid) question, this is an irrelevent comment. (...) Woaahh. What I *said* is absolutely true. You may (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: What are all those lego companies? —Chris 'Xenon' Hanson
      Steve Baker wrote: When you need to bash in a ton of text, cutting down on the typing *does* help a little... but it's certainly not a major consideration. I can't come up with any other explanation for the MixedCaseButNoUnderscores style...people (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         A code by any other name —Matthias Jetleb
     (...) Your kidding?? The term "code" dates back (at least) to the "opcodes" used in machine language (ie. an even lower level than assembly). The term "opcode" refers to Operation Codes or "instructions" which may in many cases have required an (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: A code by any other name —Steve Baker
      (...) Ada Lovelace (whose Biography all programmers should read BTW) called it 'coding'. She was the very first programer who was writing programs for the (never completed) Babbage 'Analytical Engine'. She invented things like subroutines, (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
     
          Re: A code by any other name —Matthias Jetleb
      (...) Thanks for the history lesson. I had no idea it went back that far. I had imagined mid 1940's maybe. You learn something new every day. Matthias Jetleb VA3-MWJ (24 years ago, 19-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
    
         Re: A code by any other name —Richard Clemens
     (...) And the numerical system used in computers is binary or base 2. Each instruction would have a unique binary representation providing the control of the datapath that would cause the desired action upon the data. An instruction such as (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        A big hail to all of you. —David Buhl
   Thanks again for clearing this up, now I understand the reason behind it, why there is a certain way how you write code (and it makes sense too) I hope in a year from now I can write code in NQC at least as efficient as I can write an email in (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: A big hail to all of you. —Steve Baker
   (...) Programmers have been arguing about this since the early 60's...we all know we'll never agree...I've *never* seen one of those debates end with one programmer saying "Wow - you're right - I'll completely change my programming style"...nope - (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
   
        Re: A big hail to all of you. —Andrew Lipson
    (...) I have on at least one occasion asked a (better) programmer to explain why he held a particular strong belief about coding style that I did not share. Subsequent thought and experience proved him right and I changed my style accordingly. In (...) (24 years ago, 19-Feb-01, to lugnet.robotics)
 

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