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Re: Great Brickain
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Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:24:25 GMT
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Richard Parsons wrote:
> Tony Priestman wrote in message ...
> > Mr L F Braun wrote
> > > Gadzooks, I have the hull but no rest of the boat *and*
> > > no Admiral. I wish I had a blue Admiral, all I have are
> > > blue mateys! That's very French of them, to go for
> > > the whole "band of brothers" thing...
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> > Yes, once they're all admirals, it doesn't matter
> > what uniform they wear :-)
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> Excellent! Historical, political satire - I love it! And such economy of
> words. Do you guys get togther and practice this stuff? Linday sets it up,
> and Tony slams it down. Its like a ballet, but with a 25lb mallet in the
> other hand. I do love it so!
Hmmm...need more subtlety = 10lb mallet, Tony. ;) In Other News, I may get a
blue admiral! Yesssss!
> > > Hey, anyone got good ideas for a brick-based
> > > variation on France? "The Repubrick of France?"
> > > It sounds like I've got my mouth full.
> >
> > I love it! Or is that 'rove it'? Ahh, you know what
> > those French sailors are like, roving all over the
> > place :-)
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> I think is a fine idea. So far, we have the south west Pacific, the
> Britain, and the Carribean. The French and Spanish would be good, together
> with perhaps the Dutch. Who else was hip and happening in the late 1700's
> to mid 1800's? No doubt the Train heads should be setting up America and
> India, but who else had a decent navy/maritime contribution around then?
The French weren't that busy except when trying to export revolution (Oui!), or
when Suffren was hanging around in the Indies. Now, the Americans might come
around if something like the Bey of Tunis problem came up--and they wouldn't
send anything with more than 20 guns, since until after 1815 they only had six
(or five, after the burning of the _Philadelphia_ off Tripoli) bigger than
that. The Russians? Not anywhere near the Pacific--the closest they got in
this era was the Mediterranean. Even the boats used to make good their claim to
Alaska were tiny.
Given the basic region we're talking about (South Pacific / Indies), you're
talking Dutch, Dutch, Dutch--but the strategic rivalry between Britain and the
Netherlands is pretty much done by 1689, when William of Orange became King of
England while still being Stadholder of the UP. After that, there's an
"understanding" and generally an Allied or at worst neutral situation between
the two. The Spanish would be around (Philippines), though weak (Imperial
Armada, anyone?); the Portuguese would be sneaking around looking for anywhere
to ply their wares--but East Timor was theirs for a time (and a subject of
contention between them and the Dutch), which explains all the Catholics there.
However, there are a lot of coasting Chinese and Malay trading vessels roaming
around, too--they far outnumber (though don't outgun) European ships, and engage
in *rampant* piracy, especially if one is lucky enough to get some cannon and a
handful of shot. They weren't European seas by any means!
That in mind, maybe we need to have some ships from the Chinese mainland--small
ones, not much bigger than a three-segment Imperial Flagship, because Imperial
edict in the 1500s prohibited anything with more than two masts (I
believe--might have been three)--trying to sell textiles in a "protected"
market, all the more alarming because until 1800 Chinese and Indian textiles
were superior both in quality and quantity to the European equivalent, not to
mention cheaper. Certainly the challenge of building a junk alone would be
worthwhile, and you could use those Ninja minifigs to good effect (The
differences in dress across the Sea of Japan weren't as great as nationalists
might have you believe).
(Odd Trivia Bit: The Chinese treasure fleet of Hseng Ho in 1451 was the largest
fleet ever assembled, tonnagewise, before the Allied fleet at the Battle of
Leyte Gulf in 1944. Some of the junks that sailed to East Africa were over 200m
in length with six enormous masts, and the assembled fleet carried over 40,000
people--and was commanded by a eunuch. Go figure! Let's just say that these
are people who *know* how to sail...whether two masts or six.)
best,
Lindsay (your local historian)
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| (...) ateast 5 minutes of <SNIPPAGE> (...) I have been working on a junk for sometime....you would be surprised at how scarce good pictures of these ships are... I finally have enough basic bricks and plates to gie it another go.....I tried a red (...) (24 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.pirates)
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| (...) largest (...) of (...) over 200m (...) 40,000 (...) these (...) I suppose the eunuchs all sailed at half-mast.... (ok, bad joke!) Seriously, though, a Chinese merchant / pirate fleet would be so cool! Paul Davidson (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.pirates)
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| Tony Priestman wrote in message ... (...) Excellent! Historical, political satire - I love it! And such economy of words. Do you guys get togther and practice this stuff? Linday sets it up, and Tony slams it down. Its like a ballet, but with a 25lb (...) (24 years ago, 1-Mar-00, to lugnet.pirates)
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