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| | | (...) To my mind, it's a perfectly good reason for saying no. Let's turn the tables and suppose allowing AC was the norm. I come along and requested that AC *not* be allowed because I can only use batteries. The response would likely have been along (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | (...) Well. I guess that is a better explanation than you posted before. Thanks for posting it. It may not be a good technical answer but at least it has democratic rationale. Ben (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | (...) I'm not entering so I have no official say. We allowed ext. power for project x 'cause, well, the 'bots didn't move. IIRC, I noticed in the vid for monkey bars that one was using ext. power. but then there should have been no chance that bots (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Calum Tsang
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| | | | (...) No, because AC power also means you can be sloppy with control loops. You can brute force time instead of using clever mechanisms (Iain/Rob) or sensoring everything (Chris, Bruce) (...) This is why I was against the external battery box of (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Chris Magno
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| | | | (...) your a freak! Calum. how dare you try to force how I should build or program my robot. so what if I build "sloppy" so what if I use time.... so what if i use BRUTE FORCE. you know damn well that's not what the games are about. the only (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | (...) Because if you're using AC you're at an advantage because you *CAN* time everything. If you're using battery power you can't do that. You get that huge inherent advantage of being able to build a simpler robot that runs far more reliably (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | (...) smart ass. I'll use 2. and each of you can use 1. if I have to, I can BUY more. :) Chris (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | | (...) As always. Would you expect less? :) But anyway. Now it's on. You got me mad. Get ready for me to KICK. YOUR. ASS. It's on, boi. Yeah, yeah. You know it. Iain (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) Bring it on, dapper dude! Or as my idol and walking dead slayer, Ash, would say... Come get some! Groovy! Dave K -It's a trick! Get an axe! (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Rob Stehlik
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| | | | | | (...) This is interesting... I don't think Matthias would agree with you: (URL) project X robot relied entirely on timing, and he had a lot of problems at the competition. (...) I guess AC would be more consistent than batteries, but it still isn't (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Bruce Sheridan
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| | | | | | This whole AC vs battery thing is getting crazy. RCX Version In effect, we’ve already discussed this ages ago and the outcome was that as long as its lego then no problem...we don’t discriminate against certain lego parts. If we did, then we’d all (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Bruce Sheridan
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| | | | | | I forgot to mention... We do this for FUN. We do this to see different approaches to the same problem. The contest simply gives us a common goal and a time deadline. Winning, and for that matter losing, are really not what we're about. (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | | In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Chris Magno wrote: <snip> (...) So Chris has spoken! So let it be done! Dave K (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Wayne Young
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| | | | | (...) Well, boo hoo back at you. Your concern about batteries is not a valid reason to change an already existing rule. You can go out and buy rechargeable batteries or several dozen of those made on the backs of Chinese disposables just as easily. (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Derek Raycraft
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| | | | | Ok, if AC is allowed, what is the ruling if a robot gets tangle in the opponents AC cord? Derek (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | (...) Unquestionably, instant death. Iain (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) For the robot? Or for the contestant? Or for a random bystander? (21 years ago, 27-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | (...) No question about it...all the above!!! :) Ben (21 years ago, 27-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | (...) First AC is not allowed yet. Until the webpage changes, AC is still not legal. At some point, we're going to tally up how people stand on the issue so far: Iain - No Wayne - No Chris - Yes Bruce - Yes Jeremy - Yes Ka-On - Yes Trevyn? Rob? (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Calum Tsang
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| | | | (...) The same reasons why we say you can't drop 1200 pieces or be larger than 18" cubed. I care if it gives an unnecessary benefit that everyone else doesn't have. Like, we don't allow John Barnes sensors because not everyone has them and they're (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Steve Hassenplug
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| | | | (...) !?!? :) (...) Yes. And, someone could easily say "well, my cord won't tangle other robots." But... (...) ...If it does, they lose. (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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