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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) You seem to be arguing that there shouldn't be a separation between church and state, the same thing these 'founding father' seemed wary of. (...) Deists come awfully darn close, in function if not appearance. (...) I've always called the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) In school (we are talking about PoA in public school) the pressure may come from the teacher, the state, classmates, or a combination of them. It happens all the time. It has been noted here before, but you seem to ignore the point. Claiming (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) What country would that be? Bruce (pointing out that the citizens of the U.S.A. rejected George Bush....) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Dang, I think ya got me there, finally. Bruce :-) (Dubya only hurts when I smile....and frown...and grimmace...and....) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Actually, I'd say that one man was George the Elder's selection providing payback: Clarence "Uncle Tom" Thomas. :-) Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Ahhhh. Interesting. Then it is irrelevant whether you accept Christ as God (avatar of God?) in relation to whether you are a Christian or not? That's my own opinion, but I suspect the majority of those that describe themselves as Christians (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.241)

		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Oooo...ooo! I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay, I sleep all night and I work all day! Canada is a great place. I like Canada. But then again, I drove through Massachusetts and loved the place. Why the heck would people leave there for ugly sage (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Oooooo, british sports cars (have you fixed the darn oil leaks yet?), but have to put up with a queen? Tough choice. How about if I go to Scotland and foment rebellion? But then again, I could stay in SoCal, have my non-leaky Japanese but (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) No, I'm saying the people of the United States voted for The Other Guy. Dubya lost by that measure. He's President because the people don't actually get to vote directly for the President, though it is expressed that way. That Dubya couldn't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.241)

		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) There's a joke in there, alright, trouble is, it's in the White House! :-) Do you mean was I joking? No, of course not. Are you saying Uncle Tom Thomas isn't an unthinking bag man for the conservatives? Are you saying that there weren't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) And yet, my comment to Maggie still stands. :-) (...) To switch devil advocate sides: the piece of paper is the will of the people. We can change it if we don't like it (political inertia may make it difficult, but if we perceive it to be that (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.241)

		Re: An armed society...(what if?)
(...) Bruce, I agree with your take on why the laws were placed. However, I do think that a conspiracy evolved. Law enforcement's most important lobby is the continuation of the War On Drugs. Not because it's the right thing but because if we quit (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.241)

		Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
(...) "Micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution" are creationist terms, not terms used by scientists. That should tell you something right away. Further, in evolution, what you would call "macro-evolution" is nothing more than "micro-evolution" over a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.241)

		Re: Evolution vs Creationism
(...) What? Of course the Big Bang theory makes predictions. Virtually any model makes predictions. You then see if observable data matches the predictions - in the case of the Big Bang, are galaxies (or more properly galactic groupings) moving away (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.241)

		Re: Evolution vs Creationism
(...) I cited one aspect of the Big Bang, that's all. You usually have some kind of evidence, contruct a model, and then see if you can find new evidence to confirm or deny the theory. I spoke from the standpoint of the model, not the actual linear (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.241)

		Re: Evolution vs Creationism
(...) I don't think what makes a theory scientific is as hard and fast as some would like to indicate. Does it have to "helpful" to be scientific? Why would it have to? (...) Basically, Creationist Theories don't fit the known evidence. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.240)

		Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
(...) Absolutely. If the universe is cyclic, then simply everything collapsed back into as small of a point as possible until the big bang was triggered. An interesting question would be if the physical laws of the universe change from one (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.240)

		Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
(...) CRASH!!! Nobody expects the Taxonomic Scale Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and anal retentiveness.....oo...ooo....two chief weapons are surprise, anal retentiveness, and a ruthless devotion to splitting scales....three! (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: slight
(...) Absolutely to all that. I mention the the Celtic (Druidic) traditions because they are the ones that permeate the English speaking world. Praying to Saints for intervention is little removed from Roman ancestor worship that were elevated to (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.240)

		Re: slight
(...) Read "The Winter Solstice" by John Matthews. Christian and pagan traditions have merged, often to the displeasure of the Christian Powers That Were At The Time. Personally, I don't have a problem with it, but then my great-grandmother left out (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
(score: 1.240)

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