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Re: Uselessness of .debate
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Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:14:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > >
> > > > I still think that education should be based on ability to learn. I still
> > > > think that healthcare should be based on need.
> > >
> > > In an abstract sense, do we agree on this?
> >
> > If "we" includes "me", then no.
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> A well reasoned response.
My default in interpreting your words is to assume sarcastic intent. If you
actually were complimenting me, sorry... but otherwise:
What is the issue? Seems a pretty clear cut answer to a question. Was it
that you didn't want anyone to answer it other than Chris? If so, why post
it instead of email it?
> > More generally, I'd like to see a cite of a .debate post where you admitted
> > you changed your mind about something that you had been exposed to here. I
> > may have missed it. You need to be a bit crisper sometimes, something that's
> > been repeatedly pointed out to you.
> >
> > I realise coming up with a cite for something that happened a while back is
> > hard given search is currently non available. So I'd take your word for it
> > if you could name the topic and what you changed your mind about.
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> Go back an read my reply to Chris.
That's not a very crisp cite. You've had a lot of replies to Chris. I went
up thread and found this:
> Getting back to your point, I think I once said the LP gaining power would
> result in slavery - was I not shown to be wrong on this?
Was that what you were referring to? My recollection of that particular
debate thread was that it petered out in a maze of snipes without any
admission on your part of incorrectness, you just sort of dropped it, then
sniped something else later.
Dropping something doesn't mean admitting incorrectness. At least not to me
it doesn't. I let things go all the time. Especially your snipes. That
doesn't mean that they are suddenly correct.
If that wasn't what you meant, feel free to crisp up the reference.
> > Now, you may choose not to answer which is fine, but until you do, I don't
> > believe your earlier assertion to Chris.
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> Which assertion was this? Can you at least give the date Chris posted it?
Today. But if you say you didn't assert to Chris that you have ever admitted
you changed your mind about anything raised in .debate, I retract the claim
that you did make such an assertion.
> > You also might re-read Paul Baluch's excellent post about good debating.
> Why, does he suggest I not ask a staight question - which is just what the
> post you replied to was? Does he suggest one avoids making a reasoned
> response - that is just what you did.
He suggests that one ignore sniping. He suggests that not being able to
restate your points cogently is poor debating. He suggests that trying to
score points is bad. He suggests that responders aren't obligated to answer
every passing snipe and ill formed reference.
> Was there any point to your post Larry <snip> ?
Yes. To try to get you to admit that something about what Paul said applies
to you, to try to reform your poor habits, or to get you to stop posting
(nonproductive posts) to .debate. Any one of the three would be fine.
++Lar
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| (...) Sure, you gave an answer. It is not reasoned though. Despite that, I do see a contradiction in your response - not a big one. I'd still be interested in Chris's reply. (...) It was my reply to the question _you_ quoted. Did you even read my (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) A well reasoned response. (...) Go back an read my reply to Chris. (...) Which assertion was this? Can you at least give the date Chris posted it? (...) Why, does he suggest I not ask a staight question - which is just what the post you (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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