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All of the following is written from the assumption that "drugs are Bad, and if you take drugs, you've done a Bad Thing." Debating that assumption should be an entirely different thread. Preferably, one that is threaded over a few beers. Steve (...) (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. (...) One should respect the law, rather than avoid breaking it. I suppose it is a subtle difference. I choose not to take drugs not only because it is against the law, but because I don't think it is not a good thing to do anyway. (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Steve Bliss wrote: <snip> (...) Well, I don't know. If you get your kids to adulthood without the chance of having used drugs, then I'd say that's not a complete failure. If, as a responsible adult, one chooses to use drugs, who then is to blame? (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My responsibility to my kids is to educate them about the drugs, and to educate them about how to avoid law enforcement if they choose to use those drugs. I choose not to take drugs because they make you stuipd. It has absolutely nothing to do (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No one. If they are responsible adults, there is no blame to assign. They are using whatever drugs as they wish. Chris (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was hoping for the "no one to blame but themselves" response. "no one" makes it sound like it isn't the individual's responsibility. -John (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:3A109829.C775CF...est.net... (...) They are (...) makes it (...) The problem, John, is assigning blame. Do you blame yourself for eating dinner? Do you blame yourself (or your parents) for the (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think we're talking semantics here. If I blame myself for having eaten dinner, it means I am taking responsibility for the choice to have eaten. "You have no one to blame but yourself" is an expression meaning "You are responsible" -John (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) are (...) makes it (...) From this note and the couple of replies, it sounds like you think that "blame" is somehow synonymous with "responsibility." It isn't. Blame include fault. Fault for doing something wrong. You claim that JohnD's note (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well lessee. From Dictionary.com: blame v. tr. blamed, blam·ing, blames. 1.To hold responsible. 2.To find fault with; censure. 3.To place responsibility for (something): blamed the crisis on poor planning. n. 1.The state of being responsible (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just for clarification, dictionary.com lists: blame (blam) v. tr. blamed, blam·ing, blames. 1. To hold responsible. 2. To find fault with; censure. 3. To place responsibility for (something): blamed the crisis on poor planning. (URL) So, while (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D'oh! John beat me to it! Dave! (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol Great minds think alike, eh Dave!?;-) John! (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *A-hem* Please go reread my posting. Especially the first couple lines, before the quoted material. I was *assuming*, not *implying*. Steve (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) i think it's the negative connotation 'blame' carries with it. (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you (or John, or anyone) supply a sentence demonstrating how 'blame' can be used without indicating that something bad has taken place? I'm quick to use the dictionary too, but I don't think that it is perfectly reflective of our use of (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The heavy rains and cool weather were blamed for the high mosquito population." Now, while some humans might consider that a bad thing, I'm sure the swallows, bats, (farmers?), dragon flies, etc, might say otherwise. (...) Looks to me like (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and what if one does not have the ability to make that choice? What then John? Just leave them to rot? (...) I have choice. I choose to not want guns in my society for example. Every single day of the my life I could choose to be a (...) (24 years ago, 16-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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If you look at www.m-w.com for the verb form of "blame", you will find a dictionary that is not screwed up. "John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:3A11ED4A.689B2C...est.net... (...) designation of (...) can be (...) population." (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By which I you mean, I imagine, a dictionary that agrees with your definition. Fair enough, but I think you haven't found such a dictionary yet. Even that "not screwed up" dictionary identifies the verb form of "to blame" as: 2 a : to hold (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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FUT lugnet.off-topic.use...-annoyance "Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:G4osvM.Br7@lugnet.com... (...) yet. (...) blame" as: (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are we to understand, then, that a posting in disagreement with your view is nothing but an annoyance? If so, then please come out and state it clearly. If not, please explain what you mean, and while you're at it let us know why you're (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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