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(...) I see nothing wrong SUVs. People are just complaining because they are so big, and they use poor gas mileage as a "side excuse" when the fact is the average gas mileage of an SUV is going up and the biggest gas-guzzlers in the country are all (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I find the idea that people are buying them, in part, because they are safer in collisions due to their mammoth size, to be a *little* disturbing. It's like an arms race, safety via momentum. Of course the more massive, better-armored (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is not true. The idea that SUV's (btw, I don't consider Suburbans to be SUV's because they were around and well designed before yuppies destroyed^H^H^H discovered the class) are safe is purely the result of marketing them that way. Just (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) big, (...) One thing I would be curious about is if there is a higher rate of fatality in humongous SUV vs humongous SUV than between say two mid-size cars (I wouldn't be surprised if two sub-compacts in a collision causes more fatalities due (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) might (...) Kevin, Why do you say they don't make Suburbans any more? I know they are changing the name for the 2001 models, but they still make them. (URL) if it wasn't for my commute and the fact that they cost in the high 30's I would by (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't have any fatality rates, but I do know that if a small child is hit by a truck, his chances of survival versus being hit by a car are almost three times greater. I completely forgot the reason, it has to be with the truck taking the (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) in (...) Something sounds odd here, unless the situation is actually that the small child may just be grazed by the truck since it is higher off the ground. (...) <snip> (...) Is that system in any of the SUVs owned by the average person? I (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) X- (...) Not at current. The system is only on the Land Rover Discovery II. It will soon be offered on the X-Series and Land Rover Range Rover and Land Rover Freelander V6. DaimlerChrysler uses a system called ESP, which helps keep the M-Class (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure they do... it's just called "Yukon" now because the marketing folks at GM decided "suburban" sounded too "soccer mom-ish" ~M (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it is called Yukon XL, for eXtra Large. Yukon is a name that has been used on the short wheelbase Suburban (Tahoe over at Chevy) since 1993. This fall, they will also introduce to new monsters, Denali and Denali XL. (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) might (...) Since when? The 2000 Chevrolet Suburban is all-new and redesigned (and more fuel efficient). The GMC Suburban is now called the GMC Yukon XL. (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The name is not changing for 2001. They are introducing a new variant called Avalanche, which has a pick-up truck bed and "tougher" styling, but the Suburban name is staying. GMC has renamed the Suburban the Yukon XL (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Mark, will you STOP with these unattributed rumors/hearsay? While there is talk of bringing the Sprinter to the US according to the trade rags, it's for an entirely different market than the Caravan/Town and Country. The Sprinter is a panel (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The (...) Canadian (...) is (...) in (...) Mercedes- (...) I am sorry I didn't make it clear. I meant full-size van market, not mini-van market. The Ram Van and Ram Wagon are ending production, and it is no hearsay. It's official. I very well (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I should add that Mercedes-Benz does sell a mini-van in Europe, the V-Class. It has not been a big hit. It uses some Sprinter and Volkswagen EuroVan/Caravelle mechanicals. (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I came to much the same conclusion. Normally I avoid driving in New York, but, my SO brought a little subcompact, and there we were, outgunned on the mean streets. So we got a Jeep Cherokee. It's the smallest SUV that is still able to carry 4 tall (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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