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Re: May Day "riots" in London
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 12 May 2000 14:19:35 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Alex Farlie writes:
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> > > > Defacing a national monument (The Cenotaph) is not legitamate protest.
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> > > Sorry to disappoint you, but I agree. Defacing or destroying property is • never
> > > a valid response.
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> > Bull.
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> > Destruction of property has a very valid role in aggressive conflict
> > resolution. It is a key part of disrupting mobility and supply • infrastructure.
> > Were I to stage a revolt, careful distruction of property would be the
> > PRIMARY means of combat.
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> > (that was entirely too much agreement :-)
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> Oh, sorry about this but.... I agree with you. And with Alex. You're talking
> about armed insurrection and you are as usual, spot on. Alex is talking about
> law abiding peaceful demonstration and he is right as well.
I happen to agree as well. An armed inssruection against genuine tyranny
,dictatorship or threats to democratic freedom is justisified (cv. Rumaina
(c 1990) ,Cezchsolovakia 1968,Hungary 1956 and some actions in South America).
But violence purely to ahicive a politcal aim when there is no cause for it
and there are other less violent chanells to use is something that I can't
suppourt.
Even with armed insseructions some of the gorups leave important monuments
untouched and in recent US interventions they have tried to be very careful
about what they target. Often detsroying a figruehead does more damage than
discrediting it. Sometimes trying to protect a known to be descredited
figurehead can backfire.
Also I feel that there are some monuments that you always respect. Even in
KOSOVO and Yougslavia the UN people held remberance ceromonies whilst a
conflict was raging around them. And most 'warriors' will agure that the
dead of conflicts should be hounered and respected (its just that they
disagree on whom and how.).
Alex
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| (...) Is the difference always clear? It seems that Alex isn't talking about law-abiding demonstration at the Cenotaph since laws were broken. (...) You list three specific conditions, one of which must be met for insurrection to be justified. Do (...) (25 years ago, 12-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) never (...) infrastructure. (...) Oh, sorry about this but.... I agree with you. And with Alex. You're talking about armed insurrection and you are as usual, spot on. Alex is talking about law abiding peaceful demonstration and he is right as (...) (25 years ago, 11-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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