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| | | (...) her (...) That was me, and yes, I feel the attempt was particularly ill-prepared (i.e. the actual attempt was so doomed to ultimate failure it was literally terminally stupid). Perhaps this is a reflection of my deep respect for the open (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Let me connect the dots for you. Arguably, Elian's mother would have been better served if she could have flown from Cuba to FL in a commercial airliner. Or even taken a large passenger liner, or in extremis, a 50 foot fishing trawler. But (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) However, was every other parent who remained in East Germany a likewise unfit parent? This again seems too sweeping a claim, generalizing everyone under one circumstantial banner. That said, the fact of your uncle’s brainwashing is dreadful. I (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Sorry--I posted before "refreshing" my browser, so I didn't see that you had already replied... Dave! (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) It's not entirely a custody matter. In my view Elian applied for asylum merely by appearing here. The niceties of when was the formal petition filed and so forth are just legal machinations being used to deny civil rights. His mother gave her (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Hmm... That's interesting, and I hadn't previously considered it that way. If he'd fallen out of an overflying plane, would he (assuming his survival) likewise have applied automatically for asylum? If, while I'm vacationing in upstate New (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Sorry, I was insufficiently precise. Merely by *deliberately* appearing here. If I fall out of a plane flying over Rwanda by accident it probably isn't my intent to apply for asylum there. Now, normally I try to avoid assigning intent but I'd (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) mother (...) many (...) then, (...) Whoa, wait a minute. She snatched the child and fled because she lost the custody battle. If she had won, I very much doubt she would have left. As much as you may view it otherwise, this isn't particularly (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) escape (...) a (...) flown (...) Lost a custody battle in which court system? I'm not going to give any weight to a court system of Cuba. We already know that justice comes out there whatever way the apparatus wants it to. So, yes it is indeed (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Elian Gonzales —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Please reread the relevant part: If she had won, I very much doubt she would have fled. I just don't think she was making any statement about communism. (...) You keep projecting your opinions onto Elian's mother (I'm not faulting the opinion (...) (25 years ago, 28-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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