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Jim,
I do find your argument fairly convincing, at least in the abstract.
We shouldn't lie under oath. We should be punished for lying under
oath. That assumption should hold.
You wrote:
> Bill Clinton has done something that you or I would very likely go
> to jail for.
I guess this is a point where we disagree. I would argue based on my
(admittedly limited) experience, you or I would very likely NOT go
to jail for lying under oath, that the overwhelming majority of people
who lie under oath, even those who get caught, do not suffer any
recriminations at all, even when juries disagree. This being the case,
to argue that it is an offense for which the leader of the U.S., the
winner of a national election, should be removed from office boggles
my mind, especially when you add the context -- a personal affair, a
trial dismissed for lack of merit. To equate this with treason,
subversion, or aiding and abetting our mortal enemies (such as sending
missiles to Iran. Yuk, yuk) is simply to set such a low standard for
high crimes and disdemeanors that I truly fear for the future of the
presidency.
as evah,
John C.
ps to Larry P: I did a non-case-sensitive search through the 85
Federalist Papers at
http://www.augur.demon.co.uk/federalist-papers/index.htm for "high
crimes" and came up with zip. A more specific reference to a Federalist
Paper would help me.
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| John, currently there are over 115 people in jail for perjury. Of those 115, at least 5 have come forward to say that their perjury was for a sex related cover-up. Perjury is the thoughtful willingness to lie to the court. I'd say that yes, the (...) (26 years ago, 4-Jan-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I did some digging and I could not find it either. Well, somebody ELSE said it was, and I should have verified it before I alleged. But I'd be willing to bet (since you can't call me on it, they're all dead now) that what I outlined was what (...) (26 years ago, 6-Jan-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Also sprach Lee Jorgensen: : What is actually meant by "High crimes and misdemeanors"? Is it : a grandiose crime that is considered a felony? Or is it a crime by : an official in a high office ... Like the President? Here's a point: Clinton's crime (...) (26 years ago, 31-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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