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(...) I disagree here, but I'm a cynical little punk. :) I think people in general are only as industrious as they have to be. I don't think the mean is quite as low as "lazy" tends to imply, but I do think the mean is too low for a system that (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, change that to ANYwhere in America or Canada. But yes, it's biased. That's the point! That's the society I want to see us return toward, a society in which everyone knows that if they work hard and are clever, they've got just as much (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yowza! When did this society exist? I'd also love to return to it! It must be millennia since everyone had an equal chance of getting rich, and certainly never in the US! Dave! (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. Opportunity was closer to equal then than it is now, but it still wasn't entirely equal. But I'll conceed the point. ;) (...) Then we're of the same mind here. I'll try and remember that next time I flare up at some LMF. :) James (URL) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So the american frontier is what you want to return to? I've got news for you: That also requires returning to the technological and productivity levels of then. The reason those two are so much higher now than they were then is (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here I go again! James Brown wrote in message ... (...) general (...) quite (...) to (...) You cynic! :-) You are right - many peope are only as industrious as they have to be. Does this mean I am a cynic, too? No. I think the purpose of (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing of the sort. I want to return to the frontier mentality, the notion that we can, if we want, be very successful at any number of different things. (...) Again, hardly. The most frontierlike part of america right now is the e-space. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "E-space" (Now _there's_ a horrible term if I ever heard one. Almost as bad as "Information Superhighway"), however, is hardly frontier-like. (...) Gimme some search terms or general dates to work with. You're too prolific a poster (even when (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There you go again. Another incorrect assertion, presented without proof. Examine the aspects of something that make it frontier-like, and you'll find that the internet is indeed a frontier. What are your criteria for a frontier? (...) Look it (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John DiRienzo writes: <snipped lots> Took me a bit to read through that and have it sink in, but I think I understand what you're getting at. And I (cynically) disagree. I don't think society is sufficiently evolved for a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) New, virgin territory, actual land, would be one. The internet may be vaguely analogous to the real world, but it just doesn't apply. The internet simply isn't space. It is a communications medium only. It provides a way of reaching new (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38a2c49d.967187668@...et.com>... (...) Look it up. (...) And where did those mineral seekers live? Who built their houses? Why were there towns, banks, saloons, stores? How did they get to those far off places? Who (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, in fact, very few MINERS got rich, but many of the support network DID. -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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