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(...) lol Ah, using myself against myself, eh? Well, you've got a fool for a witness! Looks as though I was a bit contentious as well...:-o Okay, on to my apparent contradiction.... The United States of America is a secular democracy. Our very (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are repeating simply the sour grapes of one group who isn't currently in power. Boo-hoo. Bush's nominations are eminently qualified to hold their positions. Even if Roe v. Wade were to be repelled, that still means nothing. Why is it that (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't mean to suggest any society is free of extremists and crazies. Christianity has been responsible for some of the most horrendous acts in history - cruel, horrible actions that seem devoid of purpose or humanity. Nor am I trying to say (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm... (URL) "We are most certainly *not* a secular nation."> (Readers perusing that old thread for the first time should be warned that it took place before my now-characteristic patience and politeness were cemented...) Dave! (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) --SNIP-- (...) Apart from on Bosnia, and Liberia and the other places where they have. Sure we don't have the pretty pictures of it but that's because, according to the Western media, those people don't count. And that's not to (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Protests in London call for terrorist strikes against Europe, threaten those who insult Islam with execution, and generally reject liberal democracy. (URL) Danish Embassy in Lebanon and Syria are attacked by protestors and set on fire. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which is all fine up until the point where the separation of church and state begins to be eroded. That point has almost been reached, and, with President Bush's new Court nominations is in danger of being reached. Mainly however, I was just (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You were just asserting that the US was a secular demo, no? We are. But most of our FF were men of faith and our very existence was due to those who were looking to practice their religion freely, so we have an integral, religious history. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here is a bigger archive of Mohamed cartoons over the ages, up to the present. It shows the fairly humorous Danish ones ("Stop, stop, we ran out of virgins!") along with the 3 somewhat different in tone cartoons that are probably a big part of (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you ever get the impression that the media is being manipulated... by both sides ? Ray (19 years ago, 4-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is very interesting. Why do you suppose that attempts haven't been made to change your flag to remove that Christian element? Or have there been? I'm really curious as to whether or not this is or ever was an issue of debate in your (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm saying that the people that are on the streets with the threatening of life and the shooting of guns in the air and aprtaking in 'violent demostrations' are the uncivilized people--it doesn't matter if they're muslim. christian, agnostic, (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's mostly a clash between the extremists. Here in Norway, a fundamental Christian newspaper, which nobody had heard about before this issue came up, reprinted the pictures. And this is taken up by similar guys on the Muslim side, who are (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What took you? :-) (...) The er, fundamental difference, is that one is peaceful and law-abiding, and the other isn't. You can call the responses from US-based religious groups to any given issue "acrimonious" if you want, but they are rarely (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Glad you clarified, because now I really have no idea what you're talking about! Who and where and what are these people about whom you speak? JOHN (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I want to clarify my response--the people that are 'taking this to the streets' with the flag burning and the gun shooting and the life threatening are the uncivilized people--not Muslims or people of middle eastern countries. (...) I was just (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm a little late in getting to this discussion, so perhaps this has been addressed already, but how is this threatened responsed fundamentally (no pun intended) different from acrimonious boycotts by US-based religious groups whenever an (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To be fair, this insane response has not been echoed by American Muslims. We must account for that as well.... (...) I wonder if that has something to do with not wanting their "image" caught on tape or photographed-- the whole making "graven (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't tink the maor difference is that you're living in a Secular democracy. I think the difference is that you're living in a society that can voice their differences in a fashion that doesn't entail the need to lop the heads off people if (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I will consider your removal of and lack of counterargument to the prior text to be agreement. I'm glad I could be so convincing. ;) (...) I don't really see much difference here but it is a matter of semantics and thus purely opinion based. (...) (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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