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Re: Screw Abstinence?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:45:25 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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The question is where you want to draw the line. Most pro-choice advocates
aren’t asking for abortions 21 days before due.
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But they want the right to do it if they choose.
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Oh? I didn’t think that was what was desired. I could believe that there are
some out there who would be in favor of it, but I think in general, they’re
talking abortions within the first few months of pregnancy. Correct me if I’m
wrong, of course-- but I’ve always been under the impression that the debate was
over early pregnancy abortions. IE, “oops, I found out I’m pregnant, I’ll get an
abortion” rather than “I’ve known I was pregnant for almost 8 months now, and
JUST now I’m deciding I want an abortion after all”. I’ve typically considered
the pro-life campaign as advocating “no abortions, ever! It doesn’t matter how
far along the pregnancy is, no abortions!”
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The right to choose what? Do I have a right to choose to murder you? You
could argue “yes”, but I don’t see any value in that proposition, because I
have no right to actually deprive you of your right to life.
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Both true! You have a right to choose to murder me, but my right to life trumps
your right to choose. If I didn’t have that right, you could choose to murder me
all you wanted, it’d be your right.
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There’s a mental image for ya...yeeouch:-0
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It would certainly change things a lot at the Ikea factory, too.
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But in your office furniture example, you conveniently omit the “life” issue,
and so the “choice” issue crystallizes nicely.
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Actually, it was more than convenient, it was the entire point of the example :)
Effectively, we can examine whether or not there is a right to choose if we
remove life from the picture. Clearly, when life isn’t involved, the right to
choose exists, hence, I think it always exists, it just has the potential to
pale in comparison to a living being’s right to live.
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This, in a nutshell, is the rub of the abortion debate.
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Yep! Does a woman’s right to choose overrule the fetus’s right to live? And as
you can probably infer, I’d say “it depends on how develped the fetus is”. My
impression of pro-lifers is that they’d ALWAYS say “no”.
DaveE
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Message is in Reply To:
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| (...) Prior to any late-term abortion legislation restricting it (not doubt opposed by NARAL), yes, in theory. (...) Yes. I'm not in the "every sperm is sacred" camp;-) (...) But they want the right to do it if they choose. (...) The right to choose (...) (19 years ago, 6-Oct-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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