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Re: Screw Abstinence?
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Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:32:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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I’m curious about how folks weigh in on
this event.
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This article is not talking about the Left, it is talking about supporters
of abortion throwing an event.
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At the risk of splitting hairs, I have to take issue with your choice of
words here. NARAL does not support abortion but instead supports the
right of reproductive choice.
To say that NARAL supports abortion is like saying that the NRA supports the
gunfire murder of schoolchildren.
Dave!
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By supporting a system which allows for abortion I would argue that they are
indeed supporting abortion.
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Again, your selection of words is questionable. NARAL supports a system that
allows for reproductive choice. It’s true that choice may allow for
abortion, but it also allows for non-abortion; why do you condemn NARAL for one
avenue of choice but not another? If they advocate a system of choice, then by
your argument they are in some way responsible for all choices made under that
system.
I can think of another example wherein choice is so highly valued that it’s even
more important than salvation. Since God clearly supports a system (i.e., free
will; i.e., choice) that allows for abortion, does he thereby support
abortion?
If so, then it’s hard to see how such a system of choice can, in itself, be
wrong.
For the record, I am atheist, and I have no idea of your faith. However, I
recognize the value of a deity-figure as a metaphor, and that’s how I use
God here.
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One group believe that abortion is immoral, the other
group believe that disallowing abortion is immoral. It’s merely two moral
standpoints with clever marketing.
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Again, I’d rephrase this. One side supports the intrusion of government into
choices of reproductive freedom, while the other side rejects that intrusion.
It needn’t be exclusively about morality; it’s also a matter of liberty.
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As for your analogy, if the NRA supported the right of murderous choices it
would be valid but as it stands it is not.
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Once again, I reject your framing of the issue. The NRA supports the right of
private citizens to bear arms. The NRA makes no argument in favor of willful
violence, and willful violence enacted by a gun-owner is not the fault of the
NRA.
NARAL supports the right of private citizens to control their reproductive
freedom. Decisions made based upon that right are not teh responsibility of
NARAL.
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That said I do support abortion and I believe that arms should be very
strictly controlled. I also think that the people organising this event are
hell bent on harming their own cause.
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Well, abstinence is an incredibly modern notion, evolutionarily speaking, so I’d
argue that people have said “screw abstinence” for quite a long time already.
I find the whole event a trifle silly, but no more silly than the “Silver Ring
Thing,” for example.
Dave!
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) But our government supports a system of protecting the rights of its citizens-- the real debate isn't whose choice it is, but rather whether or not the fetus has rights which need protecting by the government. Obviously, 1 second after birth (...) (19 years ago, 6-Oct-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) For one thing I did not condemn them for supporting the choice of abortion. There is absolutely no condemnation there at all. As I stated I fully support legal abortion so I would be stupid to condemn someone who does so too. Your argument (...) (19 years ago, 6-Oct-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) By supporting a system which allows for abortion I would argue that they are indeed supporting abortion. The whole pro-choice/pro-life facade is just emotional manipulation. One group believe that abortion is immoral, the other group believe (...) (19 years ago, 5-Oct-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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