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Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
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Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:49:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Powell wrote:

Um...no.  The reactor is called "TRIGA", and is located in Torry Pines, at
General Atomic(s?) site.  It CANNOT expode, or melt down.  Physics dictate how
anything will act, and it WILL NOT explode/PCI, no matter what you do with it-
remove the control rods, walk away, turn off the cooling water, go on vacation
for a week and forget to turn it off...no matter what you do, it won't
(assembled) go supercritical (meltdown/prompt criticality incident).

How is this done?  Because, as materials become hotter, their neutron absorbing
properties change.  Things that are a good moderator when cold become  neutron
absorbant as they heat up- so, the design of TRIGA makes use of this to ensure
that even if you are dumb enough to remove the control rods, all that will
happen is that the power output will spike for a second, and then drop off as
the previously non- active elements start robbing neutrons from the reaction,
reducing the reactor to sub critical levels.

The test was done in June, 1959.

And what if something else accidentally happened, that changed the properties of
the absorbing elements? Or what if a terrorist figured out a way to do the
above? Or what if it's effectiveness changed drastically after the first 2 days?

What they proved was, in their specific test scenario, that the reactor didn't
melt down. Saying a nuclear reactor is totally safe is like saying a ship is
unsinkable.

(BTW, the only references I can find about Project Orion refer to a project that
attempted to use atomic blasts as propulsion - is that the one you mean?)

ROSCO



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(...) but it can't. "simple" physics determines the properties of matter. "simple" physics determine what will happen when you remove the control rods from the reactor- either it speeds up, slows down, or does nothing. The design of TRIGA is such (...) (21 years ago, 19-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) Um...no. The reactor is called "TRIGA", and is located in Torry Pines, at General Atomic(s?) site. It CANNOT expode, or melt down. Physics dictate how anything will act, and it WILL NOT explode/PCI, no matter what you do with it- remove the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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