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| | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: Scott Well several people wanted to know why a lot of Europeans don't think much of Americans - so I thought I may as well give my impressions based on discussions I've had with people I know. (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | (...) I remember some people coming up with bogus scenarios where people might become poor "through no fault of their own" but there aren't really that many situations in which one becomes totally broke through no fault of his own. What you probably (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Simon Robinson
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| | | | | | Mike, (...) they (...) be (...) reasons (...) What was bogus about the scenarios? (...) No problems with that - I believe that as well. (...) OK - since you 'actually *think* about things' <grin>, can you explain exactly who the person, entity or (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) If you read the threads you'd remember. No free goods, as Larry would say. One in particular, though, that stands out in my mind, is the one about the man who'd worked for a plant all his life, then suddenly the plant closes down, he finds (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Libertarianism again. —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | was: Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote in (...) I can, but none of them strike me as realistic. The scenario itself seems to be more or less believable, in the sense that it (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) So because a significantly significant number of people are stupid/selfish/non-f...d-thinking enough to not save ANY of their income over their entire working lives that justifies the taking of money from others to pay for their problems? (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Erm, technically, I think NZ is a two postage stamp country. (...) I have a bumpersticker I haven't dared put on the back of my car yet: "caution, stupid people are breeding" (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) :) (...) I'd love a copy. Didn't get it from an online vendor, did you? (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) "your taxes pay stupid people to breed". Perhaps we should sterilise the top and bottom 10% by wealth? Moz (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | | Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote (...) Yes. How we do so is the question, not whether we do it at all. Unless you have some cost-free way of removing them from society. (...) What's "yours" is vested in you by the government, and those (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Ruthlessly snipped so I could snipe at a few points (...) Disagree. Whether we do it at all is INDEED the question. For those who choose not to make provisions for their future, or choose not to decide, still have made a choice. THEIR choice, THEIR (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Simon Robinson
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| | | | | | | | (...) And their children? Is it their choice as well? Are you happy for their children to grow up in poverty? (...) Blimey - what planet do you live on??? Natural monopolies are a standard recognised part of economic theory. They occur for all sorts (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | <37CCA9E3.7A9A326D@voyager.net> <slrn7spbr1.86u.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) No, I got it in San Diego at a headshop, but the name of the company is Socially Hazardous Stickers. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | <37CCA9E3.7A9A326D@voyager.net> <FHDLIu.AGD@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Troller. Stop it. Much easier than sterilization is merely to stop using taxes that way. It also has the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) You and me agree on that. I'd like to see all countries stop subsidising big business, especially the USA which seems to be much more attached to the idea than anyone else. But you seem to have the USA (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | <FHDLGC.AAv@lugnet.com> <37CD2061.1A04C593@voyager.net> <FHDzL4.2L5@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) of SOME economic theories. Just not the ones that actually work. Keynsian economics is (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) .. (...) Larry, heed thyself. Or is simple contradiction permitted? (...) The telephone system, specifically the local loop. For the purposes of argument it will be easier if we restrict this to (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) So tell me, how do we stop them taking what is ours by brute force, or simply degrading our environment by dying in it? Even if you don't have welfare you need some way to stop homeless people coming to (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | I'm on slippery ground here and I think I may trip myself up, as we have guests coming over and I only have a few mins. Forgive me for not interspersing.... To the points raised about the poor. I don't think Mike's thesis is that there will not be (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | <37CD5AB2.72BA98B6@voyager.net> <FHJ1Ao.D6D@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Simon made a sweeping statement that "economics" had said X. I merely showed that not all economics did say X. (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | (...) Moz, Can you tell me what part of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that resides in, because I can't find it. You sound just like my sister. "We have a right to a living wage." Really? Where is that at in the Constitution or Bill of (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarianism again. —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | Scott Edward Sanburn <ssanburn@aeieng.com> wrote (...) There is no constitution, New Zealand is a monarchy. The bill of rights actually uses the word "equitable" (from memory) and of course the idea of a free country is at the heart of our desire (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | (...) I don't mind the US government helping other countries in time of need, I mind people, such as yourself, calling the US selfish because we will not finance everyone's desire. Like I said before, it is the taxpayers money, not the governments, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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