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(...) danger (...) about? (...) troops. (...) I wanted to insert a comment. I'm agreeing with Bruce by and large in this thread (because he doesn't _at all_ seem to be defending the US' naughtiness) but on this one point, I knew exactly what Scott (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It all boils down to how many lives would have been saved/lost, and what value you put on them. If OBL comes back to annoy us, that will have to be put in the equation too. As will any moderate Muslim backlash. How many Afghan lives is 1 (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose it is obvious to everyone except Scott, but I'm not defending U.S. actions to any particular degree, I'm just objecting to Scott's axe-grinding and one-sided presentations. And I'm a liberal! I hate Bush. I don't like Israel's (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) All of them. War is hell. Chris (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...but you (& Chris) do share Bush's unilateral outlook to some degree, that is what I don't agree with. Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? I think you might mean that I am more concerned with the fate of Americans at war than others. If that's right, then I guess I do agree. Not so much on a philosophical level as on a gut reaction level. One random stranger is (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I specifically said I don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook. I'm critical of your axe-grinding, slanted presentations, and sanctimonious self-righteousness, but not always with your actual positions. Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How could it ever be otherwise? Who is actually righteous? =) -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, so it's redundant. I just like the tongue-twister aspects, as Larry noted. :-) Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am. Didn't you get the memo? Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not my perception. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I meant, its not my perception that you "don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook". BTW: Where did you "specifically" say you don't? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's because you don't want to admit that there is anything wrong about your debating techniques, which is the real thing I'm objecting to. The subject is just the medium. This is now the third time I've pointed this out (all three contained (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not how I view it. (...) You did not "specifically" say you don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook. Scott A (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly are you looking for, certain verbiage? Come off it. Chris (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not quite, but that would nice. :) The quote above only tells us that Bruce is against a "unilateral attack on Iraq", not that Bruce does not share Bushes selfish unilateral outlook as far as the wider world is concerned. The difference is (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just ignore him. We both now he'll never concede anything. The guy has no shame. Bruce (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A dodge? You mean you don't want to explain your bunker-buster comment, tell us what the USA's official response to SH gassing his own people was, why you want to view Iraq in isolation or even what is “all Britain's fault”? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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