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| | | (...) Counterfactual, as I said. (...) I'm sure FDR would have a bone to pick with you if he was alive. (...) I'm ashamed of you, Larry! Libertarians is the answer, of course. They stick to their guns - or dogma, depending on your viewpoint - better (...) (22 years ago, 12-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) And I with him. Didn't work then (his shenanigans prolonged a depression that was caused by other politicians meddling) and doesn't work now. Please provide an example of a country that's socialist that works. If you choose a mixed economy be (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) I don't really have to: it's you that needs to prove that virtually every single country on the planet is a failure. _ :-O (Edvard Munch) - I said that every country practices socialism to some degree or another. You are stating that socialism (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) This I think is the crux so I snipped the rest. If a car has a flat tire, but the driver is driving it down the road because the other three tires are OK, is the car "working"? One could argue that it is. After all, the car is moving in the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) I'd generally accept that ;-). But in accepting that, I have to accept that, as one gets closer and closer to a pure capitalist system, there are more and more people who are worse off (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —James Brown
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| | | | | | (...) That's not entirely accurate, but even if it was, it's not a good metric. The average standard of living in the US is significantly higher than, say, China. I don't tend to agree with Larry on political ideals, but as a goverment moves closer (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | (...) Ok. Now say Sweeden... it's not below the US standards. And it's just as much socialist as it is capitalist. (...) That's absurd. Was there at any point in history a nation which *democratically* chose socialism, and later had a socialist (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | (...) A socialist gov't is more prone to being victimized by a dictatorship or ruling class because a significantly larger percentage of the power in the system rests with the government. In a capitalist system the would-be dictators become CEOs (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) And I would tend to concur. I mean, if I'm going to be fed and housed, and really not have to do anything to 'earn' it, why would I work? In the 'perfect' socialism, everybody works and then everything that they made gets gathered up and (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Sorry, in what way is redistribution "fair"? (...) This is the same old argument and the refutation is simple. NOT everyone has to do good or be charitable. Merely enough people to take care of the problem. We have empirical evidence that is (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | (...) I don't accept that as a given. Too often pure socialist countries started off way down the ladder anyway, and are further weighted down by being dictatorships. (...) I think it is easier for socialists to take over capitalist countries with (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | I actually think that everything Bruce wrote was spot on. Here's a couple snipets about which I want to comment. (...) Yup. Communal living is cool. It has been claimed to me that 40,000 Hopi lived under a single socialist government. Anyone know (...) (22 years ago, 18-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, *obviously* they were savages. Actually, that factoid rings a bell, but I can't place it; I'm likewise interested in a confirmation. Dave! (22 years ago, 18-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) Again, in a perect world, this would work, but, as todays newspaper headlines tell us, and as numbers are crunched, we see the gulf between the richest of us and the poorest of us (...) (22 years ago, 19-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!) —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | (...) Indeed, but I'm not comparing the US to China, nor the US or China to a world average - I'm merely comparing people to the average within their own system. My statment was "as one gets closer and closer to a pure capitalist system, there are (...) (22 years ago, 16-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) No. A car with a flat is going to eventually crash (not work). Governments with a "flat" would eventually fail. Better to use a clogged fuel injector analogy, where the performance is impaired, but leaving the car still working. (...) The next (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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