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Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!)
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Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:30:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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I disagree and I see no further proof necessary other than to point out that
the closer one gets to a pure capitalist system the better off on average
everyone is, and the closer one gets to a pure socialist system the worse
off on average everyone is. That's pretty generally accepted, I think,
because we have so much empirical proof all around us.

I'd generally accept that ;-).

But in accepting that, I have to accept that, as one gets closer and closer
to a pure capitalist system, there are more and more people who are worse
off than average.

That's not entirely accurate, but even if it was, it's not a good metric.
The average standard of living in the US is significantly higher than, say,
China.

I don't tend to agree with Larry on political ideals, but as a goverment
moves closer to pure socialism, the potential abuse becomes greater.  This
is not to say that socialism is more prone to abuse than capitalism, but
that abuse in a pure socialist system is farther reaching.  It is easier to
become a tinpot dictator coming from a socialist gov't than a capitalist one.

Capitalism, by acknowledging and explicitly incorporating the tendency of
people to put themselves first is better protected against it.

James



Message has 3 Replies:
  Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!)
 
(...) Ok. Now say Sweeden... it's not below the US standards. And it's just as much socialist as it is capitalist. (...) That's absurd. Was there at any point in history a nation which *democratically* chose socialism, and later had a socialist (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!)
 
(...) And I would tend to concur. I mean, if I'm going to be fed and housed, and really not have to do anything to 'earn' it, why would I work? In the 'perfect' socialism, everybody works and then everything that they made gets gathered up and (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!)
 
(...) Indeed, but I'm not comparing the US to China, nor the US or China to a world average - I'm merely comparing people to the average within their own system. My statment was "as one gets closer and closer to a pure capitalist system, there are (...) (22 years ago, 16-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Averages and Capitalism (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!)
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) I'd generally accept that ;-). But in accepting that, I have to accept that, as one gets closer and closer to a pure capitalist system, there are more and more people who are worse off (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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