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    Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —David Koudys
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: snip (...) Love people who try to get their points across by jumping right to the end of the slippery slope. I don't believe in the 'popular view', as in 'its *just* a tradition so who cares?' And (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Richard Marchetti
     Well, I won't go around telling you what to do -- but I disagreed strongly with most of that on a personal level. The separation of church and state should mean that everyone's religious beliefs are respected and that there is no official state (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler
     (...) You only perceive it as a slippery slope because you're heavily invested in your particular deity. That's your right, obviously, but that doesn't mean The State can endorse a deity. To an athiest, an agnostic, a humanist, or even to someone (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Larry Pieniazek
     (...) I'm confused. I thought David Koudys more likely to sing "God Save Our Gracious Queen" than "My Country Tis of Thee" but I could be wrong. Or is it that he just went to college in CA but is a US citizen after all? I admit it. I can't keep all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) I wouldn't have expected you to want to keep anyone straight...What do you care? Chris FUT lugnet.off-topic.out...ext-quotes (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Larry Pieniazek
      (...) Not that kind of straight, silly! But yes, good one. I realised I had set that up right after I hit post.. was wondering who would be the responder. Well met, good sir! (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
     
          Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler
      (...) I had planned to respond, but I couldn't figure out if you'd accused me of some sort of autoerotic debating(1): (...) Dave! (1) Which is NOT a heated discussion about sexy cars. (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
     
          Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —James Brown
      (...) Of course not. That would be thermoautoerotic debating. James GD&R (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
    
         Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —David Koudys
      (...) That line of mine is from 'Oh Canada' Sometimes when I'm debating, I jump from one side of hte border to the other 'cause invariably, the stupidity that happens to our bigger brother, will eventually happen to us, though always on a much (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Changing the subject... :-) —Larry Pieniazek
       Well, um... thanks for clearing that up! (...) Apropos of nothing in particular I would like to point out that as a child I had to sing both lyrical versions of this song at various points in my elementary school career (1), and therefore I remember (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler
      (...) Since I'm the one who mentioned your libelous comments, I'll address this. You mischaracterize me (and thereby attempt a straw-man argument) by suggesting that I cry libel whenever I read something I dislike--that's simply not the case. I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —David Eaton
     (...) He's figured us out. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. DaveE (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dan Boger
     In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) you're arguing about the semantics here. Would it be ok with there were state run mosques? a mosque isn't a church, right? I strongly believe that the state should stay away from all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd
     (...) Evidentily the Knights of Columbus did. This Catholic organization is the one that led the charge to get the words "under God" appended to the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge has existed longer without those words than with them (okay, not by (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Steve Bliss
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: [snipitty] (...) Unless I'm totally misremembering, a good number of the 'American forefathers' were Deists, not Christians. A Deist's 'god' would definitely not be the Judeo-Christian God. Steve (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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