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(...) Well, as a criticism of public-funded programs, it wasn't a very strong point, so don't feel bad if you don't understand it. We've had countless discussions here about the US Gov't prying into everyone's dirty laundry (or medical history), and (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Socialised Medicine (was Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned))
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(...) OK. Can anyone who thinks a public health care system is a bad idea please explain why that argument does not hold for a public education system. To me, and I would guess to most who support these two things, they are both about ensuring (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned) was Re: Peace in the Mid-East?
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(...) There might not be an obviously *stated* implication, but an *inherent* implication--"Those that don't have money, don't get" I am charging money for the services I render, and if you cannot afford to pay, you don't get my services. It's *in* (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Socialised Medicine (was Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned))
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(...) I should begin by pointing out that you snipped the text in a way that makes it look like David K's comments came from me, but I don't think it was intentional. To answer your question, many who favor privatized health care also favor a (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Socialised Medicine (was Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned))
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Simon Bennett writes: <snipL (...) Oh how I wish they would privatize the education system here in the states, but due to the power of the teacher's unions it won't happen country wide anytime soon. I know a few cities (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Socialised Medicine (was Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned))
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(...) The vouchers was a great idea--you send your kid to whichever school system you're most comfortable with, whether it's run by your church or someone else, or even home schooling, and your tax dollars goes to that school system. In this way (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Socialised Medicine (was Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned))
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(...) Fine, but I *really* am asking why you think private is better (and I don't mean just for those who have the money to pay for it. I mean for the nation) You don't appear to have evidence yet. The example you give is interesting though as I the (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Socialised Medicine (was Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned))
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(...) Why not just abolish taxes for schools rather than having the half-way measure of vouchers? No question of the government subsidizing religion (and who has the biggest chain of private schools? I'd guess the Catholic Church -and believe me, (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, you're characterizing the system to portray it as unfair, but it's not a fair characterization. The fact that it's a 2-tier system is actually irrelevant, since it would be that way in any case. If health care is privatized, and if (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see being "anti-corporation" and "anti-capitalism" as at all the same thing, BTW. If the corporations we are talking about are the sort of crony driven parasitic influence purchasers as ADM, (or US Steel) for example, I am about as (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. My apologies. (...) Oh they probably are, but they cost more, and it is divisive in terms of 'equality of opportunity' to have them. This is also interesting. What do you think is the benchmark they are using for unacceptability? Is it (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant
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(...) When it comes to having Doc Martens vs no-name sneakers, or an SUV vs S.P.O.C., or veal vs pork chops, that's to the wealth of the individual. I could care less if my fellow human has the whereforall to afford the 54 inch screen TV or the (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | DMs (was: Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant)
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(...) Doc Martens are actually very nice shoes, and affordable, too. Perhaps they are more expensive "over there"? My "office shoes" (dressy DMs) are ten years old, and they still look new. My ten-hole shoes are close to ten years old, and are (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: DMs (was: Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant)
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(...) In addition to my other garage sale FOTW (URL) found some new Doc Martens (1460 boots) in my size for $5! The only thing is they are a forest green color, and I was forced to take two CD's (Erasure and Duran Duran) and a Terry Brooks novel (...) (22 years ago, 12-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's great! The CDs and book are probably not that bad, and I kinda like non-black DMs. I used to have a pair of cherry red three-hole shoes. Nice ones. Fredrik (22 years ago, 13-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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