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| | | (...) The Israelis are trying to encourage the "desire for power" by isolating Arafat. Just the same as they did when they helped establish Hamas to rival the PLO in ‘88. (...) Desperation for what? More land? A western lifestyle? Shopping Malls? (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dan Boger
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| | | | | (...) I wonder where you get your information from? please share... "Through late Wednesday, the IDF said it had arrested about 1,100 Palestinians in the West Bank over the last couple of days, including many "wanted Palestinians." The Israeli (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) The front page of The Guardian (not an infotainment channel). The online version: (URL) far, the onslaught has produced few tangible results for Israel while reducing Palestinian towns to smouldering wrecks, penning tens of thousands in their (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | (...) so when you said that "to date, there have been *6* militants arrested" you meant to say "in that one attack", ah. Also, I really haven't heard of any towns "reduced to smouldering wrecks" - I guess I don't read the same sources you do. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) You're wasting your breath. Careful you don't fall into the same trap that I did, so many times before. (but which I think I'm mostly cured of, now... time will tell) Fail to ignore him at your peril. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | volume v quality (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | <snip> (...) <snip> Larry, That's correct. I (and others) cured you of your need to engage in name-calling and mudslinging in this group. It's just my view, but I think this group is better because you no longer post here in the manner you once did. (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: volume v quality (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Until this thread came up, your own postings here were pretty scant. It was quite wonderful. "Thanks for making this a better place! ;)" Chris (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | (...) thanks for the reminder. I was breaking my own rule here, but I'll just have to try harder. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) Read again Dan: "After Israeli helicopters and tanks bombarded a security compound in Ramallah for nearly 24 hours, a government spokeswoman announced the capture of just six wanted Palestinian militants. There was no sign that the house to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Well I guess it is only now that the press is getting access: (URL) read Suzanne Goldenberg's report. She describes the camp as "a vast expanse of rubble": (URL) A (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) camp, a town, a camp-within-a-town, a town-within-a-camp, or something else? I ask because I've heard it referred to alternatively as any of the above, so I'm unclear of what sort of area is at stake. That doesn't in any way reduce the loss (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | (...) It's sort of both. Jenin was originally a town. The refugee camp was built next to the town decades ago, and has slowly evolved into a town itself. According to my understandment of the recent events, it was the refugee camp (which is more (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | This is from my memory, so don’t recite too loudly! Dan Jassim probably could give your question more justice. I have never visited but… I think the short answer is "both". On the edge of the town of Jenin exists a refugee camp which has probably (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | | | "Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:Guo8A8.3J7@lugnet.com... (...) probably (...) edge of (...) refugees (...) the (...) the (...) 6-day (...) that (...) shantytown (...) Independence (...) the land (...) Quite a bit of video (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) Look at Israel’s history since ’47. Look at the current conflict. Do you think Sharon sent in the army and imposed a virtual press blackout with a plan to drink sweet tea, hand out fruit and talk peace? Really? The Palestinian's agree it (...) (23 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | | | "Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GupGzn.7J5@lugnet.com... (...) you (...) with a (...) their (...) use (...) record. (...) I wasn't making any judgement. Just saying what was reported on the BBC news. lawrence (23 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) Since I have never been to your land, a comparison to the BBC would be helpful for me since I do have some sense where they fall into place. So I guess one could say that these people live either actually at war, or in a de facto state of war, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Impartiality, like beauty, is always in the eye of the beholder. (Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) The BBC has a charter that says it must be 100% independent/impartial... and this is checked quite thoroughly. The Guardian is an independent newspaper (owned by a trust) which is free to print what it wishes without being libellous. It (...) (23 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Impartiality, like beauty, is always in the eye of the beholder. (Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | Scott: Many thanks for the information about the Guardian. The hard copy will not be necessary, but I appreciate the offer very much. -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Pedro Silva
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| | | | (...) The US took control of a route to Central Asian Oil and Gas fields that does not pass through Russia nor Iran? Particularly interesting, when we know Bush has personal interests in this sector. Pedro (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) I shall have to change my question! You may consider it a "victory", but which of the *stated* war aims have been met? ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Pedro Silva
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| | | | (...) I'd have to know what were the stated war aims. IMO, all statements on that issue were too vague to be comprehensible. :-/ And frankly, this conflict still does not fit my definition of "war". Maybe "intervention" is more like it. And there is (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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