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(...) And this so-called power gives them what precisely? World attention? It took years for that to happen -- and even now a guy like Arafat is suspected of not having very much real power even with his own people anyway. I remain very unconvinced (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be fair, "they" also identify such a distinction, and "them" ain't "us." I understand your point and agree with it in the abstract, but I think it's a mistake to act as if all distinctions are arbitrary, fleeting, or non-existent--even if (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) yeah, it's not a situation that can be remedied by sound bites and bandaids.. To add a separate thread of debate -- one thing that has been bothering me as of late is the 'restitution for atrocities that happened in the past' It was wrong for (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes indeed, but let's be realistic about it. There are people ALIVE TODAY who participated in atrocities during WWII against people who are ALIVE TODAY, so it's not like this is something we're inferring from the fossil record. For many (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that desperation is what is driving _most_ of the Palestinians. However, a small number have achieved positions of power (not really Arafat, though he certainly has some power) due to their ability to lead and incite rebellion. These (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) only shows the Israeli casualties though... I don't know where to find the Palestinian side. Also all these are easy to verify (cnn, ruiters), unlike some of the PA claims. Dan (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Define "significant", please. 'Cause I can remember *a lot* of peaceful nations that resulted from the acceptance of their independance by a theoretically much stronger enemy, rather than its anihilation. Browse through a map of Europe and you (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) available, it seems so - has this also been verified in past times of conflict? (say '87-'93, for instance) Pedro (just curious, really) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, actually I reject the notion that desperation is not a factor in N.I. Peace is one issue, freedom is another. I am not sure I can condone a state of peace maintained at the expense of freedom and self-rule -- is one expected to be happy (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) their attack on the Jordanian village of Qibya in ‘53. The day after the attack a UN observer said that the IDF had forced civilians to stay in their homes whilst they were demolished around them. 69 civilians were killed - over half of them (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Most people might agree. Why do they need a homeland? I'm leaning toward believing that the very notion of 'homeland' is a divisive instrument. Maybe we should seek to eliminate that idea globally. (...) I think that terror is a tool (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: this is one of the scariest, most disturbing posts I've ever read on LUGNET. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm with you on that Dan. jt (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) so you're not saying that what I quoted was wrong, just that they were missing some info? perhaps. BTW, that attack in '53 is taught today, still, in IDF basic training as an example of an "illegal command", which a soldier is not allowed to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The interesting point about a Jewish "homeland", is that at the turn of the last centaury a large tract of Argentina was being considered seriously. Scott A (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I, for one, could use some clarification here. I certainly had no intention of offending anyone of any culture or race or etc. I am for peace. I do not see myself as favoring either side in violence. If my "Romeo and Juliet" solution seemed in (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do hope that you'll choose to clarify this. Not only because I'd be interested to hear what was "scary" about Richard's note but also because I think that to whatever extent you occupy an administrative role, throwaway comments like this (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you. Fredrik (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and agree with you. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) In our culture, we are mostly brought up to believe that life is precious and that suicide isn't a viable option. We are shocked and dismayed when people kill (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly are these warriors promised from the afterlife? How is their belief about the ultimate sacrifice different than our own? Many Americans have made suicidal attacks "in the line of honor." How and why is it different? I think that (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The fact that these attacks are suicide attacks is irrelevant. The issue is the deliberate and unjustifiable killing of civilians. (...) What do padres promise your country’s troops as they go into battle? Hell and damnation? I think not! (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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