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Re: Gun Control, Unnessesary Evil
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:43:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > It is evident that the levels of gun use you enjoy in the USA is not
> > > stopping criminals either. Do you not think for one second that gun control
> > > may have the ability to reduce the numbers of guns which reach the hands of
> > > criminals?
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> > One can obtain a gun illegally more easily than one can legally. If
> > the legal means were eliminated logically only criminals would have guns • then.
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> You recognize that this ridiculously popular mantra is a tautology, of
> course?
It is oversimplifing the situation, I'll grant you that, but is essentially
true. If it is illegal to purchase a firearm the only way to obtain one is to
become a criminal and break the law. Of course as I stated, at present time
(without any hypothetical changes) it is easier for me to purchase a firearm
illegally than it is for me to do so legally. Gun Control laws will only
affect legal purchases.
> One might as well say that Internet access requires a computer, so
> only people who have computers will access the Internet.
This isn't quite the same. One is not going to go the local "Gun Cafe" to
defend oneself.
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> > As for suicides, well even if I did care what someone does to themselves, I
> > doubt one would worry about breaking the law (purchasing a gun illegally) if
> > one was going to shoot oneself. Never mind the fact that household cleaner
> > would work better anyway.
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> It is a falacy that people choose the means of their suicide solely on the
> basis of efficacy. Generally the choice is based, when the intent is
> serious, on irreversibility, painlessness, or quickness of action. A bullet
> to the temple works a lot faster than a glass of drain cleaner and is
> generally less painful.
Point conceded.
> In any case, you're certainly right--someone who has seriously decided to
> commit suicide will find a way to do it regardless of the law.
Exactly.
-Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) You recognize that this ridiculously popular mantra is a tautology, of course? One might as well say that Internet access requires a computer, so only people who have computers will access the Internet. (...) It is a falacy that people choose (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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