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(...) Perhaps. If either is proven false in some measure, and they likewise refuse to modify their positions, then, yes, they are bed-fellows. (...) Perhaps I did not clearly express my attitude in these comments: I mean that we as humans should (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here again, the problem is that literalists assert that The Bible *is* beyond reasonable criticism. (...) Agreed. Let us assert for the record that the so-called "Bible Code" is equally nonsensical and without meaningful predictive value. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IMO, the issue of interpretation and translations and so forth is, at a fundamental level, very simple: Reasonable, well-intentioned, well-informed, open-minded inquiry is a root necessity of any fruitful scholarly, literary, scientific, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's been a while since I heard a Highlander reference. Weren't they going to relase yet another redundant sequel? There Should Have Been Only One. Dave! (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have heard this story too but it's hard to believe! I could swear I hear him say that phrase. I do remember a SNL skit during the 1980 Presidential Campaign where they put Jesse Jackson in the hot seat with a big red nuclear launch button. On one (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rabid evolutionist, eh? Is that the same as an ignorant creationist? (...) That's an interesting way of summing up centuries of painstaking research, experiments, observation and learning that has helped mankind gain a greater and more (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not a nitpick at all, and I think you're right. My point is that according to the then-current "literal" interpretation (and, admittedly, the teachings of Aristotle), the Earth was the center. Maybe my beef should be with Aristotle, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not a nitpick at all, and I think you're right. My point is that according to the then-current "literal" interpretation (and, admittedly, the teachings of Aristotle), the Earth was the center. Maybe my beef should be with Aristotle, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See: The Drake Equation. Insert variables, and calculate! I remember a magnificent Asimov story that most recently appeared in one of the two 'complete stories' volumes. I can't recall the title, but the gist was this: We've been receiving (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hah! Where's my black turtleneck and tweed sport jacket? Dan (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) brief (...) Notice, however, that in the title was "1863-1953." Measurements of the time it took the sun to travel past the prime meridian were recorded at the Greenwich Observatory since the early 1800's (1). Calculations were made to convert (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's something my brother Ken wrote that pertains to the subject... Food for thought. --Ryan "Many have made reference to facts of science, etc, or understanding of the universe, as if they speak a definite, proven message. But, indeed, they (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Regarding this subject of cruelty of so-called Christians to the indians, here's an interesting article about the Pilgrims in America. (URL) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (yawn-----smack, smack----scratch) Like I said, the misquote came after the "Cosmos" series because of the WAY Sagan overpronounced the "B" in "billions." You'll never find any recorded proof he said it before "Cosmos" either because he just (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? (...) The Bible also says in Proverbs that "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of man to seek it out." God gave us the faculties of reasoning, inquisitiveness, and creativity, but our arts, science, and industry has (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A few other basic problems with the literality of the Bible: - Which translation? - How do you reconcile the apparent contradictions? Would someone care to list them (I'm affraid I'm not a student of the Bible and therefore can't list them all (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: For centuries the "literal (...) One nitpick(1): I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Bible never says that the earth is the center of the universe. I think that, at best, this idea is (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ryan, I don't presume to question your Faith, but for a number of reasons your position on the nature of text isn't entirely supportable. If, for instance, even a single snippet of The Bible is found to be not literally true, then the literal (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ryan Farrington writes: Other questions also arise, casting doubt (...) Which neatly sums up the corner fundamentalists paint themselves into. The Bible is the literal word of God, no interpreting (which variation of (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Keep it up, and we'll mount a jihad against your slanderous ilk! I saw him speak at PSU a few years ago before a disappointingly small audience. During that presentation he did not say "billions and billions." Surely my experience of Dr. Sagan (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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