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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:G6t0JK.3Jw@lugnet.com... (...) or (...) Weeks (...) thread), (...) If (...) Chris, I just saw your note and will try to post something tomorrow. Take care, Steve (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Noted. I often wonder how police forces compare internationally. However, I expect it is a pretty hard thing to do due to cultural differences – this means that what constitutes a crime may change from state to state (e.g. trespassing is not (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Gun Control Rant
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(...) In this particular case, I CAN'T agree. There really is no reason for a crappy gun (that's just as liable to injure the user as the target) to exist. If you're going to buy a gun, you should buy a GOOD one, even if it's used and rebuilt. -- | (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Foundation of a republic (was Gun control)
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(...) That's quite amazing to me. Does he have to have a proverbial knife to your throat/bat to your skull before you're able to act, or is there some point at which his presence or actions are sufficient to infer forcible self-defense as an (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the UK, the "potential danger" is almost nil. If I killed him in anything other than strict self defense, I'd be of to jail. See: (URL) If that (...) If he does not have the right to sue in the US... why/how does it happen? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh. Well, you don't expect me to pay attention when I'm typing, to you? (...) I think you meant "they may have been wrong." Anyway, I'm not sufficiently well-versed in the Waco story, but there are many who identify the use of riot tanks as (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was using what you said... "Branch Davidians _perceived_ a rampage". It may have been their "perception" - but they have been wrong. (...) In either case, s/he'd be breaking the law. That, however, does not mean I have the absolute right to (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Gun Control Rant
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(...) Ugh, ain't that the truth! My father once advised me that if I ever shot a burglar in my house who then managed to crawl outside, I should drag him back in and shoot him again to prevent such a lawsuit. (...) **snip** (...) Interesting. In the (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Gun Control Rant
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(...) Yes, if coupled with tort reform so I wasn't in mortal peril of losing all my posessions from a lawsuit brought by a burglar or mugger. (...) It's a small but non zero fear. I don't think it makes my days frightful and lonely, it just means (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Foundation of a republic (was Gun control)
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(...) But can't you say that about everything in a debate of this sort? And if you're going to make a relativist claim like that, then you undermine your own stance, as well. I perceive a burglar entering my home, but he perceives himself as a (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is all a matter of perception. (...) Ruby Ridge? (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> What's really fun about all this is that my power bill in WA is going way up because our power companies want to sell our power to CA. They're calling it a "shortage," however. There are all sorts of advertisements on the radio and TV (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Gun Control Rant
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(...) Out of curiosity, would you be equally satisfied with a hypothetical non-lethal weapon that nonetheless instantly and fully incapacitated its target? Something like an immediate tranquilizer (or a phaser-set-on-stun, perhaps?) I'm asking (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure the Branch Davidians perceived a rampage to be in the air, and folks around Ruby Ridge might likewise agree that the guvmint sometimes forcibly oversteps its bounds. Dave! (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Gun Control Rant
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(...) It is right here - (URL) of these are suicides (inc ~120 under 14). Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt it. I'll try to provide references from less biased (i.e. biased in my favor ;-) tonight or tomorrow. Chris (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think we are disagreeing. I posted this example in order to address the (semantic?) issue of motive for doing things... not to claim that there aren't different niches, different price points and different needs. GM's problem is that (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In general, I agree with Bill's note. But... (...) Some war. Not most, for most participants. Chris (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Gun Control Rant
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Mostly agree so mostly snipped. (...) Matter of semantics? I'm not a good enough bluffer to use a realistic toy in a standoff, so I bought something that's capable of killing, not just a BB gun or pea shooter. I need to have the real thing behind my (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) free (...) But look at the little Korean companies and compare those to Toyota. Hyundai's sell. They are made at significantly lower quality levels, but still they sell. Why? Because the niche that they market to wants Toyotas but can only (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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