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(...) Oh. Well, you don't expect me to pay attention when I'm typing, to you? (...) I think you meant "they may have been wrong." Anyway, I'm not sufficiently well-versed in the Waco story, but there are many who identify the use of riot tanks as (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was using what you said... "Branch Davidians _perceived_ a rampage". It may have been their "perception" - but they have been wrong. (...) In either case, s/he'd be breaking the law. That, however, does not mean I have the absolute right to (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ugh, ain't that the truth! My father once advised me that if I ever shot a burglar in my house who then managed to crawl outside, I should drag him back in and shoot him again to prevent such a lawsuit. (...) **snip** (...) Interesting. In the (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, if coupled with tort reform so I wasn't in mortal peril of losing all my posessions from a lawsuit brought by a burglar or mugger. (...) It's a small but non zero fear. I don't think it makes my days frightful and lonely, it just means (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But can't you say that about everything in a debate of this sort? And if you're going to make a relativist claim like that, then you undermine your own stance, as well. I perceive a burglar entering my home, but he perceives himself as a (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is all a matter of perception. (...) Ruby Ridge? (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> What's really fun about all this is that my power bill in WA is going way up because our power companies want to sell our power to CA. They're calling it a "shortage," however. There are all sorts of advertisements on the radio and TV (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Out of curiosity, would you be equally satisfied with a hypothetical non-lethal weapon that nonetheless instantly and fully incapacitated its target? Something like an immediate tranquilizer (or a phaser-set-on-stun, perhaps?) I'm asking (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure the Branch Davidians perceived a rampage to be in the air, and folks around Ruby Ridge might likewise agree that the guvmint sometimes forcibly oversteps its bounds. Dave! (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is right here - (URL) of these are suicides (inc ~120 under 14). Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt it. I'll try to provide references from less biased (i.e. biased in my favor ;-) tonight or tomorrow. Chris (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think we are disagreeing. I posted this example in order to address the (semantic?) issue of motive for doing things... not to claim that there aren't different niches, different price points and different needs. GM's problem is that (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In general, I agree with Bill's note. But... (...) Some war. Not most, for most participants. Chris (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mostly agree so mostly snipped. (...) Matter of semantics? I'm not a good enough bluffer to use a realistic toy in a standoff, so I bought something that's capable of killing, not just a BB gun or pea shooter. I need to have the real thing behind my (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) free (...) But look at the little Korean companies and compare those to Toyota. Hyundai's sell. They are made at significantly lower quality levels, but still they sell. Why? Because the niche that they market to wants Toyotas but can only (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean by "better?" I have had minor formal firearms training and have practiced at the range on numerous (though not as much as I should, recently) occasions. (...) Silly macho posturing. There are lots of reasons that one might aim (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Realistically, what do you think the chances are of your government gonig on the "rampage"? Scott A (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) pay (...) possibility (...) I don't usually do this, but... Yeah! What she said. I certainly never meant to imply that the false-father wasn't a vicitim. He's the worst one. Chris (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(snipped, but I don't think unduely so) (...) At the same time, society has already invested a great deal of resources into the adult and almost none into the kid. From the point of view of "society," doesn't it make more sense to value the adult? (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't have time to grubb about too much, but I did find this: There were 98 murders in Scotland in 1999 (Scotland has the worst rate in the UK). The population is ~6M (10% of UK) - so that gives a murder rate of ~1.63/100K. Gun murders (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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