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| (...) "In 1651 the Baptist Obadiah Holmes was given 30 stripes with a three-corded whip after he violated the law and took forbidden communion with another Baptist in Lynn, Massachusetts. " Yikes, I grew up in that town. -Evil Wayne (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Uh, no, Scott, that would be a "joke" (hence, the "smiley", an accepted indication that one is simply kidding). (...) Relax. Sheesh. Ideas are ideas. Some are simply better than others. JOHN (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Hmm, is this an insult? In American-English, is being a "lefty" worse than being one of those malevolent "liberals" that everyone bemoans? Scott A (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) And I completely agree with your disagreement. Writing always is never, ever, ever a good idea. I'll change the "always" to "almost always" and then I'll be fine ;). Tim (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) That's why I coined this stunningly witty phrase: preaching to the choir, even if the preacher isn't part of the congregation. Nyuk nyuk nyuk. (...) No. All arguments by non-believers are inherently perfect and sumptuously articulated. (...) (...) (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I absolutely disagree. Unitarian Universalism (which is not all atheists) is generally promotes the idea that there is not an external reward for good deeds. Frank (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Hey Tim- I knew this would come up:-) Actually, doing good for religious people is more of a response rather than an attempt to curry favor. Christian doctrine is that we are saved by grace alone; God's love is unconditional. One cannot earn (...) (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| --SNIP-- (...) I would think that doing good for religious people is more about personal gain than for atheists. Theists always believe that their good deeds will go rewarded by God or Karma or some other external system whereas atheists care only (...) (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I'm an atheist, and I tend to agree with that opinion, just not as strongly, ie life is about a *mixture* of MEMEME and caring for others. But if your opinion is your best argument, then I don't think you have much of an argument - the article (...) (19 years ago, 19-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) First off, I'd say Moyers is over-reacting a bit. Any Christian who would want to set up any type of Christian theocracy is just as much a fringie as MM is to the Left. Both are to be eschewed IMO. It is not my desire to see the US turned into (...) (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I don't feel obligated. However, if I want the best world for me and my children and my children's children, then helping others build a future for themselves is the best bet. It is a version of the "self-serving" argument. My family (...) (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Hey, Lenny- Do you support them because you feel an obligation towards your fellow man? And if so, from where does that sense eminate? JOHN (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) That's because I'm not, Scott. I am not really a loyal reader of any particular publication, but seek interesting ideas and perspectives from many places, even "lefty" ones:-) JOHN (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Thanks for the response, Dave! Okay, so you'd tend to disagree with his supposition:-) What interested me about the piece is the fact that the author claims to be an atheist, so the typical "preaching to the choir" accusation doesn't quite fit (...) (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| Hey John, I was recently passed an article talking about conservative religion in America, and I'd like your impressions. (URL) > -Lenny (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) -snip- (...) I agree with Dave completely. Another key weakness of his opinion is that he ignores whether atheists could actively support religious charities for non-religious purposes. Although I am an agnostic, I regularly donate to Heifer (...) (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| Hi John I’d never have figured you were a fellow Guardian reader. Scott (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Well, it's an opinion piece, so we can only dispute the opinion as given. I gather that Hattersly considers himself a nonbeliever, but his beliefs are irrelevant to the validity of his argument, of course. Regardless, here are a few notes: (...) (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| Here's an article to which I am interested in your reaction: (URL) JOHN (19 years ago, 18-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) This seems like something of an overreaction to me. If Lego continues to have its humanitarian commitments in place then they will only source from reputable manufacturers within China anyway. If you're worried about them propping up an 'evil' (...) (19 years ago, 13-Sep-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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