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We're all safe at (URL) last:> "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved." Funny. The way I hear it, we're all in constant and permanent danger of being killed by terrorists at every single moment. (...) (20 years ago, 10-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just thought of this one: I think your basis for saying that these establishments should ban smoking is for the employees, not the customers. Basically that if the employees were, say, robots, that it would be ok to have bars that allowed (...) (20 years ago, 10-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They're open to the public. We aren't talking about esatblishments that close their doors to people walking in. Nontheless, I don't sense we can agree on this issue, as we take a fundamentally different approach towards individual rights. (...) (20 years ago, 10-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where? You have no right to breathe ANY air (clean OR dirty) when on my property, unless I grant it. And conversely I have no right to emit smoke on your property, unless you grant it. Therefore when you're on my property, you will breathe the (...) (20 years ago, 10-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The right to breathe clean air is inherently superior to the right to subject others to the byproduct of your pleasure. -Tim (20 years ago, 10-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even if it violates people's rights? (20 years ago, 10-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I await the day when the concept of smoking is only remembered in the history books. Not likely to happen in my lifetime, though. In the mean time, whatever I can do to clear the air, making it safer for me and others, I'll do. -Tim (20 years ago, 10-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) that the IN TFA is not even supposed to be making loans so they engaged in chicanery to get it done. How is this appropriate? Government should not be favoring one business entity over another. Let bankruptcy function as it is supposed to. (20 years ago, 9-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From Cato: ' Social Security is likely to be a major issue in a second Bush term. "President Bush has shown that he is willing to expend his political capital in pursuit of a higher goal," said Michael Tanner, director of Cato's Project on Social (...) (20 years ago, 8-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Kind of a tricky line to walk. I mean, getting a job as a stunt man you're subjected to physical danger and harm. Working as a stripper will almost guarantee what (in other industries) would easily be construed as sexual harassment from (...) (20 years ago, 8-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well if you're looking for plausible deniability so it's not YOUR fault, it's always better to pick the victim whose alibi is harder to check. :-) The Guardian is foreign but Ohio is larger. You'll have to do a risk assessment yourself on (...) (20 years ago, 5-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So....I should cancel those bumper stickers that say "Don't blame me, it's Ohio's fault", and change them to "Don't blame me, it's the Guardian's fault"? :-) -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 5-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you would oppose mandatory non smoking areas as a way to lessen health risks to restaurant workers, then? (...) I agree. Are restaurants and bars public places, though? I would argue not. (...) Has this been adequately demonstrated? If it (...) (20 years ago, 5-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This apparently came to pass. According to an article in today's USA Today, (URL) County was the only county in Ohio that voted Democratic in 2000 that went Republican in 2004 (certainly other county vote totals shifted in the GOP direction, (...) (20 years ago, 5-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh, phew! (...) Awesome! That's what I was looking for. That although you may not accept the CURRENT data you've seen as accurate, that you WOULD be willing to accept data, even though it runs at least SOME risk of being subjective, that (...) (20 years ago, 4-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: **snip all of that, yours and mine** Let's start afresh, because we've veered into abstract neuro-epistemology that I don't think either of is qualified to address. However, I've been thinking about the (...) (20 years ago, 4-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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...or there is this way of looking at things (From a high volume UK tabloid ): (URL) ;) (...) What friends does Washington have left? Scott A (20 years ago, 4-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I don't want to hit this too hard, because its limited to feedback from only a couple of dozen people, and there is ample reason for them to exaggerate. That said... When John Howard's party was re-elected in Australia with an increased majority, my (...) (20 years ago, 4-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry for replying to myself, but on that last comment, I forgot to add: (URL) whistles go 'woooo woooooo!'" :-D -Tim (20 years ago, 3-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm with Dave on the interpretation of the job issue. As for letting people make their own stupid decisions--in general--sure. Let people choose to smoke, I can't prevent them from doing so in their own home, or among a group of consenting (...) (20 years ago, 3-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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