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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) Moore has stated numerous times, both in articles I've read and interviews that I've seen-- F451 is the temperature at which paper burns--the book is about supression of literature F9/11 is (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But isn't this the difference between Trade Mark and Copyright? The have different names because they ahve different rules. Chris (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Isn't that exactly what Larry is warning against? One of us is missing something because it sounds like you (Dave!) are saying "Larry, you're wrong because what you just said is true." Chris (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ROAR! (Guess I don't know my own strength!) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, seems this case is different. Perhaps because MM choose it for his title. I'm sure I'd have a difficult time starting up a department store chain called "Wall to Wall Mart", or a toy company called "Lay-Go" There is a definite connection (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because you are, in the post-at-hand, dismissing causes solely because Moore supports them. You may have additional reasoning that you haven't shared here, but since it's not yet been introduced in this discussion, it's irrelevant. Although (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is Ray whining about? It gives some attention to his book, and parodies of an actual book/film/play titles are a long standing tradition in this country. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "And Bullwinkle "War Between the States"-hips his way down the field for Wossamotta U.... (I suppose one had to watch the episodes to get the civil-swivel-war between the states running gag) -->Nuthin' up m'sleeve, Presto!<-- (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? Is it ad hominem against short sellers to point out that when short interst is high is often a good time to buy stock? (1) It is not. It is merely an observation of a useful negative correlation. Same thing holds here, Moore is a liar and (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since common courtesy is in the eye of the beholder, and since a title can certainly be spoofed without seeking the indulgence of the title's holder, then Bradbury is left with nothing but sour grapes. Sorry, Ray, but that's how it goes in the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Technically Tito wasn't the first paying passenger either, but I think he was the first to fund his own way. (...) True, but Tito got a week's vacation in a space Hilton. Today's flight was the equivalent of a couple of minute ride in the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No, it's based on common courtesy, or the lack thereof on the part of Moore. Farenheit 911 is so obviously a takeoff on Farenheit 451 that it's not really questionable that Moore intended to rip off the name recognition Bradbury has earned for (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I read an article (might have been by Roger Ebert) that suggested that this time, Moore used real facts. I wonder if he caught too much heat over Bowling for Columbine for which he seems to have made a bunch of stuff up. Chris (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, news programs constantly use punch/pun titles, and no one complains about it (except when the torrent of stupid puns overwhelms the discourse (such as when Trent Lott pined for the days of segregation: "Lott of Trouble," "Lott of (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You mean the "War to Defend the 'Right' to Hold Slaves"? But ya, like that. (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yaay! (URL) Civilian pilot, civilian ship... Tito was a passenger on a government ship, so I'd say only quasi civilian. Cost for Tito's ride/stunt == cost for the entire Rutan SpaceShipOne program (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Perhaps if MM was addressing Bradbury's work, which I believe isn't the case. Basically, MM merely ripped off the title for punch/pun effect, and so is profitting at the expense of Bradbury's IP. As an aside, are you asserting that Farenheit (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If I knew (URL) how to spell,> I would have gotten (URL) link right.> Sorry about that! (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Ray Bradbury is fired up about (URL) title of Michael Moore's forthcoming film.> Regardless of your opinion of Moore or of Bradbury, it seems to me that this complaint is largely based on nothing. Bradbury's (URL) 451> is a copyrighted work, to be (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:Hzo4Gy.11KG@lugnet.com... (...) reading the (...) I guess the 2nd decision is more of a state's rights issue. But it should be an individual rights issue. Why do state or federal (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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