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(...) ...and, like SH, Marcos was supported by Washington. (...) Forgive me, but I don’t remember the Philippines being invaded as part of an illegal and immoral war to remove Marcos? (...) It has been part of the occupation plan to fragment the (...) (20 years ago, 7-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here again the age old question, which is worse, stable but evil leaders, or democracy and instability. Similar thing happened in the Philippines, Marcos was corrupt and evil, but his regime was stable. As soon as he was removed chaos ensued. (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WOW. This reminds me a lot of Douglas Coupland's end of the world fiction, particularly _Girlfriend In A Coma_ but even more surreal because it is real (!!). Great site. Thanks for the pointer, Frank. -- Thomas Main thomasmain@myrealbox.com (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) God this makes me depressed. 1. To think that this is my country, a democratic country, where I must take a certain amount of responcibility for what is being done. 2. To hear a responce from someone being affected by these actions (something (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and until the weekend Bush was adamant it was infiltrators (Syrians, Iranians, Chechnyan’s etc) and "Sadam loyalists" who were to blame for the trouble. Scott A (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Despite the noise coming from Washington, and the right's "islamo-fascist" paranoia, Iraq remains < (URL) secular>. That said, I agree that Bush is radicalizing moderate opinion… and not just in Iraq! Only one country remains placid: his own. (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yup, this is exactly what I expected would happen - remove Saddam's infrastructure and the chief organizing force would be the religious fundamentalists, who will, of course, end up being a bigger threat than Saddam ever was. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I assume, across the pond, it doesn't look like what we saw from here but, I assure you, we, the people living down here don't need to read that article to see how "spectacular" it is. It amazes me dearly when I see how naive you Americans can (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty much what we both felt would be the case. It's a long article, but a fairly interesting one. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yawn. She protests protests over nudity by pretending to be nude? Wake me when the real protests start. Bland. Boring. Canadian. Zzzzzzz.... ;-) -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) crazy canucks! Go Alanis go! The Juno's happened a while back, and Alanis appears on stage in this 'nude suit' and yet no furor, no legislation, no yippy "too much time on their hands" members of parliament talking about passing censorship (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It's all bad news - Chaos in liberated Iraq Liberated from SH, but still not free. The current uprising started when Bush decided he’d close down a newspaper; since when has he been opposed to a biased press? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) what's that old axiom--"Violence begets violence"? Have fun after storming the castle... Dave K (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) this article is to be believed we are losing the peace quite spectacularly. (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's the Republican Liberty Caucus (RLC (URL) website>), a group that says it is trying to work within the GOP to make it more (small L) libertarian... I can't speak to whether it's having any positive effect on the party or not. John Neal (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If Iraq ends up a "stone age hell hole", it won't be the UN's fault; this mess is Bush's making. Scott A (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And replace him with peace loving Kerry? Let me see here is a quote by John Heinz Kerry about Iraq back in 1998 "I am personally prepared, if that's what it meant. I don't think you have to start there. I think there are a number of other (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Worst of all: he’ll get away with it. As a related aside, this was in Saturday's (URL) Guardian> (ie before yesterday's uprising): I have gone to the mosques and street demonstrations and listened to Muqtada al-Sadr's supporters shout "Death (...) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote regarding (URL) link>. (...) If I understand Dubya's agenda, he'll be evacuating on June 30th out of fear. Granted, troops will remain in Iraq, but the withdrawal-at-all-costs is a cowardly tactic to (...) (20 years ago, 5-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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