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Subject:	Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:18:33 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:

http://www.reason.com/hod/nr032604.shtml

If this article is to be believed we are losing the peace quite spectacularly.

Here again the age old question, which is worse, stable but evil leaders, or democracy and instability. Similar thing happened in the Philippines, Marcos was corrupt and evil, but his regime was stable.

...and, like SH, Marcos was supported by Washington.

As soon as he was removed chaos ensued. Now many years later, they are better off, it just took a while.

Forgive me, but I don’t remember the Philippines being invaded as part of an illegal and immoral war to remove Marcos?

We are talking about a country that is tribal and brutal.

It has been part of the occupation plan to fragment the population (divide and conquer)... Bush sees tribalism as a benefit!

A country where regional religious leaders run gang style groups who are not afraid of lethal violence.

Is Bush afraid to use “lethal violence”? Over 10,000 civilians have now been killed; the deatils of around 700 may be found here. At the start of the week he deployed helicopter gunships in an urban area!

Also a country whose leaders tell them that cutting themselves with sabers and beating themselves with chains is a form of religious expression. Not the easiest group to assist into the 21st century.

Some of these things are a matter of culture. I’m sure they find the US porn industry just as offensive.

Now some Iraqis are saying that they were better off under Hussein, which is truly no surprise as several freed blacks in this country felt more secure as slaves. A key fact that is overlooked here however, at least these Iraqis now have the right to complain about the state of affairs, with out fear of serious repercussion.

lol That is not quite true. The current Shia uprising started when Bush shut down a newspaper he did not approve of! FACT: Bush is to blame for the current uprising.

Scott A

Message has 2 Replies:

		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) Well, let's look at the facts. The porn industry rakes in about $20 billion annually; how much money to Iraqis make off of their religious expression? Obviously, if they're not making a tidy profit, they're savages. Besides, don't castigate (...) (20 years ago, 7-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) I’ve always thought that this was a silly criticism, true twenty years ago, during the Iran/Iraq war we supported Hussein as the lesser of two evils, you act as if we furnished his palace and rolled out the red carpet. We often have dealings (...) (20 years ago, 7-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in liberated Iraq"
(...) Here again the age old question, which is worse, stable but evil leaders, or democracy and instability. Similar thing happened in the Philippines, Marcos was corrupt and evil, but his regime was stable. As soon as he was removed chaos ensued. (...) (20 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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