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(...) Sorry. I was referring to those performing the marriages. California's Prop 22 specifically bans same-sex marriage! I mean, what the hey? (...) This is the problem. Nothing seems to matter-- federal law or state law. Both are in effect and yet (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But the trick, for outsiders like me, is that there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to accept one group's system of beliefs in preference to any other group's. Throughout history there have been innumerable groups whose methods of (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm a little lost on the pronouns here--does "they" refer to the people getting married and/or the people performing/solemnizing those marriages? My understanding is that the DOMA frees states from the obligation to recognize same-sex (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I am not a Catholic so whatever the Pope says is inconsequential to me-- I have no idea as to his motivations. (...) Many died in Iraq because of SH's refusal to abdicate his rule. If he had stepped down, there would have been no need to (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The religion of the believers and followers of Jesus the Christ (Messiah). (...) Jesus' teachings were obviously important, but don't forget His work as Savior, dying for the sins of all people and thereby justifying the world to God. JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you saying the Pope was politically motivated, or that killing tens of thousands in Iraq was a political decision? Scott A (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Fair enough. (...) Well, it is if the law hasn't even been contested before them yet! There is a process with which they apparently cannot be bothered. (...) Good question. I think he believed that judges would actually uphold the law of the (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In all seriousness, how do you define "Christianity?" I would suggest that the answer cannot be "the teachings of Christ according to scripture," because that answer, for all practical purposes, reduces to "the opinions of particular (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Christianity" and opinions (especially political ones) of particular Christians are not synonymous. JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I suppose since I'm not interested in marrying a man, I'll let this one pass for arguments sake to get onto the juicer bits below... (...) Wooohooo! But then, this isn't any different from a standard politician's template - they just (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If you'd known me back then, you'd have heard my outrage! That exact example is why certain Liberal pundits have identified Clinton as the greatest Republican President of the latter 20th century. (...) I submit that the DOMA is (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As I understand it, most Christian theologians and church leaders were against the "war". See: (URL) War 'should be last resort'> & (URL) Pope urges Blair to avoid war>. Scott A (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Non-sequitur. (...) Scott: opinions opinions. (...) Don't follow you there. JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And how did Bush become “president”? Was it by listening to the "will of the people"? John: face facts. Bush mixes religion and politics in a rather ugly way when it suits him; this is just another example of that. Iraq showed us all that Bush (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not to me. Case in point: the Libertarians. They have made woeful progress as a party, besides the fact that they have some good ideas. Trying to change incrimentally from within either party rather than all at once in their own ineffectual (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I quoted the salient text of the SOTU below: (...) "A strong America must also value the institution of marriage. I believe we should respect individuals as we take a principled stand for one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Surely, but it's human nature to pout (in some fashion, or to some degree) when one really doesn't get one's way. For example, it's been suggested that blacks in Florida might be less eager to vote in 2004 after they were (or perceived (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That may be true, but that's a classic example of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Republicans might, no will, disagree with Bush on certain issues, but they will certainly disagree with Kerry on virtually all issues. (...) This (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Non Neocon Republicans might very well vote for Kerry in preference to Dubya and his wild Federalism and Imperialism. At the very least, those true Conservatives might simply withhold their votes for Dubya, even if they don't vote against him. (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, honestly, Dubya made it an election issue when he put it in his SOTU address. Watching the speech, it was fairly obvious that the matter would become a proverbial litmus test as the campaigns moved forward. As usual, Dubya can maintain (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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