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(...) Then you need to pick a side to stand on. Are you saying that increased gun control *does* lead to an increased crimerate, or are you saying that increased gun control is irrelevant to an increased crimerate? If the former, then your statement (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree entirely. That's why I never get into the statistics of it with people. The point is: gun control would only control the law abiding. Criminals are by definition scofflaws, and they don't care about your stinking gun control laws. Who (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just sign here that you waive all rights to any public health aid, and agree to reimburse the state for scrapping your remains off the road. Of course, this also points out the "parental government role" you complain about. :-) (...) As long (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Over 1000 every day. (...) Yeah I figured it might be taken that way, that is why the subject is "how to start a fire" (...) Well assuming we can trust the news reports of mass graves. The estimates I have read in the paper are over 1 million (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That has always been the case regardless of the other countries Gun Control laws. (...) Gun Control does not help prevent crime, it only makes it safer for criminals to commit them. Besides, Gun Control is not about crime it is about (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure that quite qualifies perspective-wise, even accepting the fact that abortion==murder. We're talking (assumedly) military-inflicted deaths in Iraq versus civilian-inflicted deaths through abortion. And even beyond that, the Iraqi (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? You didn't know this to be true? With all the 'mis'information pervading the media from the supposed 'liberal' outlets, it's amazing the numbers are as small as they are. Discernment is gone by way of the Do-do. Dave K (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Go Mike go! And on that, I completely agree. Dave K (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In other news... My SO can't have children -- she'd choke them to death! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For what we are paying for government, yes. In a more perfect world, no. Reality v. Wishful Thinking. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Exactly why I called them "pro-gun wacko" sites. However I still can not find any "anit-gun wacko" sites to refute them. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. (...) No it isn't, I simply made the mistake of assuming we all knew that as long (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Poll shows errors in beliefs on Iraq, 9/11 (URL) A third of the American public believes U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, according to a recent poll, and 22 percent said Iraq actually used chemical or biological weapons. But no (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Almost if not completely verbatim... I ran into an old friend the yesterday and really 'ruffled his feathers.' We got on the subject of the Iraq war and he made the comment: "Over 1000 Iraqi civilians were killed and we didn't even find anything." I (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Assuming that you don't infringe on other's rights (as I gather from your last comment). (...) Do you assert the right to have society pay to put you back together again, humpty dumpty? Just wondering. JOHN (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here's one web reference that might be familiar to you: (URL) in that post I link to a site that specifically addresses the Australia problem. In particular, your citations (which in essence simply parrot the same statistics and might as well (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you're being facetious, that's fine, but the issue is that you can't reasonably assume that X number of crimes are prevented by any particular factor, without additional evidence or criteria. (...) That may be so, but so what? The fact (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see. Well... Taking on Larry's sentence some while ago, if all rights are property rights, can't you reduce common law to law against theft, and then extend it to all conflicts of interests where one party gets harmed? (I'm not saying it is (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Just adding in this reference for new(er)comers to debate (yup, it's me referencing me, again): Re: Legal Education? (was: real conspiracies?) (URL) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The term is perhaps a little "overloaded" with history, but in a criminal law context it basically means laws against theft, rape, and murder (and all of the usual lesser versions of those kinds of crimes). (...) True, but that has nothing to (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We have laws. "Because he had overstayed his six-month visa, U.S. immigration officials said." (You forgot to include this quotation) Also I would add that "Muslim" is not a race; Arab is. Are you talking about religious persecution? [JOHN] (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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