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(...) If I get pudding out of the deal, I'm with Larry. Canada has no 1st ammendment clause, iirc, but somehow my freedom of speech doesn't seem to be limited. Do we actually need a specific clause outlining the necessity of freedom of speech, or (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait a minute--show me where in the Constitution it is guaranteed that corporations have free speech. I'm not talking about some nebulous, fantasy market-of-ideas, but rather the actual Constitution, since that's what's being discussed in the (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't buy your application of free speech in that post, though. You might as well have said "I advocate a second helping of pudding for everyone, therefore I'm a greater advocate of free speech." Dave! (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhh...hhh! NOOO...OOO! John, I like you, I really do. But as a President of the US? Ummmmmm, no. -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Eeep!! Oh wait. All we like sheep... Dave K (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Your attention please: is there a "John Neal" in the NG?" You might have to adjust your thinking. I don't know about you, but I work for a living (self-employed), and so if I don't do anything, I don't make any money. I'd like to hang out (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Stangl, stop scaring the children. (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Note that the cited article doesn't say what exactly the original suit is about, exactly. If Nike was lying about conditions in factories, there may well be grounds for a libel suit there if you can just find the party libeled. Or a fraudulent (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes: "...President John Neal..." Hmmm... JOHN (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know me, right? Therefore I am in the set of "anyone I know". And (the rest of) my post showed that I'm a bigger proponent of free speech than you are. QED. (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, but my scorn is targetted to a few specific people, not the whole population ;-) (...) No worries, really. As I'm sure you've seen me post before, I'd be much more fearful of President John Neal than President Frog ;-) -- Tom Stangl (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How could anti-american agendas like the Patriot Acts I & II be anything but premeditated? I mean, really -- even McCarthyism was a planned thing -- it stank to high heaven but it was someone's specific agenda. Just like the Inquisition and (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ?? (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First, I'd say there's a difference b/w a corporation and a gov't institution--separation of church and state is gov't, not corporation. Dubya 'talking God' is irrelevant. Dubya supporting keeping "Under God" in the PoA is wrong. I also thing (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe not. (...) They don't themselves have to be citizens for their actions to be protected. Engage in this thought experiment with me. Suppose I take out an ad in the paper that says "Hop Frog sometimes posts mean things in (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) I am as big a proponent of free speech as anyone I know, but I don't accept that corporations are citizens protected under the first amendment. Ditto any corporate executive or agent speaking on behalf of the corporation; the speech of *the (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes: <snip> (...) I took it as a wonderful reference to a "Calvin and Hobbes" comic strip myself... But then, almost anything can be "Kevin Baconed" back to "Calvin and Hobbes". Dave K (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<jump, jump> ;-) Froggy, Others may not have the time to visit all the links you post. You posted decent excerpts this time, but even then, some may visit the first link, read it through, and extrapolate that they don't have enough time to finish (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simply never saw it. In any case, it speaks for itself, I think. The only way it will really correct itself is by investors looking at the executive pay and figuring that that execs are siphoning off too much money, money that they don't (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose they can suggest it to those predisposed to believing in a Greater Being, yes. But when you consider the # of stars in just our galaxy, and the # of planets that they can have (we find more and more every year, and as our technology (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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