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(...) I think we all have a duty to defend freedom where it is threatened... even if it means out multinationals loose $$$. Take a look at what the UK did in Sierra Leon: (URL) was not perfect. UK lives were lost. But democracy was restored. It was (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. In the UK, Blair is often satirised as a poodle, whilst "his master" is a chimp. More often he's just a diminutive form of bush: (URL) kind of a shame, as Blair is often argued to be one of the smartest leaders there is - but I suppose (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> I think many countries want the US to be the policement, but only when they're interests are at risk.</snip> I don't know about other countries, but a lot of people here in Holland aren't impressed with America taking the role of police (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Neither. Leak it to the Iraqis. Do you really think the inspection team is free of Iraqi sympathisers? Why do you think the satellite photos show the Iraqis consistently busily bulldozing stuff the day before the inspection team arrives? You (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Leak it to the inspectors, yes. Leak it to the general media, prob'ly not. (...) How 'bout a coherent foreign policy--one that does not overlook the atrocities of some nations 'cause they're buddy buddy with the oil tycoons but comes down hard (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think many countries want the US to be the policement, but only when they're interests are at risk. In my opinion, we have a small responsibility to protect Europe, however, those countries being in pretty good economic condition, the help (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You really mean give it to the UN so they can leak it... (...) Well which way are you arguing here? If you think we 'murricans should be the world's policeman it's aw'fly darn clear to me that Iraq desperately needs waxing, and has, since (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I'm not saying release the info to Joe Schmo--give the intelligence to people who will use it. The inspectors are trying to do a job for the UN to make sure that whoever complied with whatever resolution-- This is like me going to my (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er... "Coventry"... you know,where Jaguars come from(1). I'm sure it had some convents and such but that's not what I meant to backform. Also the Enigma/Coventry thing may only be myth (URL) has a different view 1 - (URL) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So-- I haven't been following overly closely-- what's the most the media knows about this 'proof'? As for the question at hand, I can only assume that Junior's intelligence knows the type of weapon but not the location. OR perhaps he knows (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That seems enough to me. Make no mistake, Iraq has WoMD, has had them for ages, and is doing everything in its power to confound the inspectors. The inspectors have the wrong task. Instead of nosing around looking for stuff they ought to be (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You cannot grasp the non-existent. ;-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So the inspectors have been inspecting for a while now... driving here, there and everywhere... over hill, under dale, across the river and back... looking for 'weapons of mass destruction' and stuff... Haven't found much--empty missles and (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you've seen George Michael's clip as well, eh? ;-) Pedro (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On all 4s - he's bush's poodle. Scott A (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Precisely. For the time being, there is no need for an European Army - there are no threats! Although I argue there is a need to start testing its future appearance, out of precaution alone; after all, the best way to avoid wars is still not (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that attack is in self-defence as result of illegal attacks launched from US bases inside Turkey, then I don't see why they should? If the attack is an unprovoked attack by Iraq, then a NATO level response is justified. I expect the chances (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very few countries could seriously threaten the EU - of those that could, very few would. I'd rather my tax was spent on education. The EU and USA are aligned pretty well, so I see not need to compete with them in terms of military spending… (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My reading is that France and Germany (1) are delaying the plan to assist Turkey in the hope the Tukish government becomes frightened of entering war - thus forcing a review of US plans. Besides, given that Turkey does not want to upset the EU (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this has more to do with politics than military necessity. It seems more a signal that NATO is wary of US intentions than anything - note that the foot-draggers are saying that the planning may be necessary eventually. The US is trying (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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