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(...) I would say that it refers generically to God the creator, and if one is into polytheism, then I'd say it refers to the highest ranking god one worships. If all of those gods are exactly equal, then I guess one has a dilemma. -John (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes (...) Why do you automatically assume god = God? (Or maybe I am taking your meaning wrong) Anything can be a god. Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary (c) 1963 1 -god- 1: a being or object believed to have more than natural (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, the PoA was *changed* (corrupted during the Cold War). There is absolutlely no question as to who is rocking the boat, and it is the people who made and support that change. Bruce (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From a previous thread. I'll dig it up, if you'd care to review it... (...) "God language" is an imprecise euphemism. If Congress enacts legislation saying "include 'under God' in the Pledge," then Congress has absolutely, unequivocally, and (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:GyFDrF.G02@lugnet.com... (...) you (...) But (...) important (...) I also agree that these fundamental freedoms are important. If an individual doesn't belong to any of the belief (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can say that Chris is wrong, but you're either lying, benighted, or simply misinformed. When he signed the Bill in 1954, President Eisenhower wrote that "millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and town, every (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can I deem it to be no one at all, that no such power exists? If not, then my religious freedom is abrogated by any such state sponsored statement referring to a god whether big or little "g" is used. I prefer the usage used in oaths now "do (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) assume, (...) -- (...) The capitalization indicates that it's a proper noun -- the name of a unique individual. Therefore, all gods are not God. Above, you say that I'm wrong, but without an explanation of it, I have to stick to my (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are very wrong. It is *intentially* vague. It is whomever you deem it to be. For *me*, yes, it is the God of Abraham and Jacob. -John (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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While you guys are making heat, I suggest reading the document: VIRGINIA STATUTE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (URL) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you really? (...) I don't know what to make of such a statement. God can _not_ be "anything you want." You can call a duck, a chicken -- but you're just wrong. I occasionally wonder why teenage girls get so worked up over "nothing." But (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you can really believe this, then please explain who this God is. I assume, though correct me if I'm wrong, that the big G indicates the god of Abraham -- Jehovah (or whatever) and no other. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean Ashur, Odin, or (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think the girl interveiwed at school by my local news radio station had it completly correct. She stated: "What does it matter if the word god is in the pledge [of allegiance]. God can be anything you want, you can call money god. Why do adults (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again you miss my point. The name of God is invoked by all, whether they actually believe in God or not-- it is a *cultural* thing. As to your first sentence, I'm not sure what that's about. (...) *a* religion. Using God language doesn't (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was responding to part of Richard's post: "I don't really care how this "bs" Pledge of Allegiance issue (bread and (...) He wrote that it was "painfully obvious"..."EXACTLY" what Jefferson felt about Christianity. I cited it to show that (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, he *was* writing the *dissent*... My point was the the majority used the concept of a national consensus for justification. If *that's* valid, then I would think that that justification would apply to the pledge case as well (where I (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: [snipitty] (...) Unless I'm totally misremembering, a good number of the 'American forefathers' were Deists, not Christians. A Deist's 'god' would definitely not be the Judeo-Christian God. Steve (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) a picture of a Jefferson who appreciates the topical philosophy of Jesus while not attributing divinity. Hell, if you include people like that under the umbrella of Christianity, then I suppose you'd call me a Christian too. But of course (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So in addition to being a self-admited homophobic, misogynist bigot, you also presume to judge who can sincerely invoke God's name? How many times have you cast the first stone, John? (...) Atheism is as American as apple pie. My right to be (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it was about *NOT* executing the mentally retarded, but your point is off-the-mark at any rate. Scalia castigated the SC for what he perceived as an attempt to establish a national consensus where none exists. If that's the case, (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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