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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:56:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> Of course it was a joke when Bill Clinton would say, "God bless America"-- he
> wouldn't know God from a cigar butt, but he still said it.
So in addition to being a self-admited homophobic, misogynist bigot, you
also presume to judge who can sincerely invoke God's name? How many times
have you cast the first stone, John?
> Because it's American. It's as American as baseball and apple pie.
Atheism is as American as apple pie. My right to be protected against
overzealous religious propaganda is as American as apple pie. Separation of
church and state is as American as apple pie. Freedom of religion, and
freedom FROM religion are as American as apple pie.
> What? You don't like baseball? Tough. The same goes for God language.
You seem to be pretending that Richard or Bruce or I am insisting that no
citizen maintain his own religious beliefs, and we certainly are not
claiming that. Instead, we are requiring that Congress, in accordance with
The Constitution of The United States of America, not establish a religion.
That is entirely separate from your perception that God is an American(1)
and is frankly irrelevant to questions of the founding fathers' religious
views. I don't care if Jefferson was, in his on beliefs, a full blown
practicing Scientologist; the fact remains that he believed absolutely in
the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. Why do you
invoke your perception of the founding fathers' beliefs but at the same time
only choose to adhere to the ones that are convenient for your agenda?
Dave!
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