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(...) The declaration of war on the Barbary Pirates seems to have been constitutional... it's the closest analogue to a declaration of war on "terrorists", I'd say. Our borders were attacked and in this day and age that may require force projection (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was the goal of the 1993 bombers, who hadn't thought things through nearly so completely. (...) I can't recall if it's cnn.com or cbs.com, but they interviewed five or six members of the design team who are still alive (the prime (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like that idea. I just thought we did it already. Palestine was partitioned into Israel and Jordan, wasn't it? Why wasn't that satisfactory? Israel was a lot smaller than Jordan too. (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I saw this on Portal of Evil yesterday. But along with that was similarly scary hatemongering from Ann Coultier (go figure): (URL) If this doesn't make you shiver at what some of our own countrymen would have us become, nothing will. (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I acknowledge this is a morbid line to go down, but.. I'm fairly sure that if the planes had had dry tanks instead of full transcontinental loads of Jet-A, the towers would still be standing... the impacts didn't do enough damage to cause the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They can espouse it, but can they call it Christianity if it doesn't seem to fit? It doesn't fit what I understand Christianity to be... I mean, isn't that kind of the same as the Red Army selling stock in their phone company and calling it (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa, Dan and I are in complete agreement on something! How can that be? (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Don't forget that this was done in His name. And since an evil deed was done in His name and he did not stop it, I cannot see how God can be kind and merciful in any way. Jeff (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't be silly. You are trying to extrapolate from something very personally immediate to something largely abstract. Of course, people have the right to protect themselves even by killing an assailant if need be. Plus in the scenario you are (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then how can anyone say that God has been merciful. Mercy implies participation. If God isn't participating, then he couldn't have been merciful. (...) What does that have to do with anything I've talked about? I thought the discussion was (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Geordan, you talk about all this 'mercy' but as far I as I know there have been 5 survivors found and still about 5000 missing or dead. Would you call that mercy? I won't. And the plane 'missing' the white house to hit the Pentagon and kill about (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Everything has a purpose, whether we see that purpose in a few days, a year, ten years, or even a century, God has a reason for everything. The reason could be very suttle, it could be realised by only a few people, or there could be a number of (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who would accuse God or anyone of being too controlling if what happened could have been prevented? And who would say God is controlling in anyway now? You said yourself that bad men do bad things and some people enjoy doing bad things, god (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A lot has been picked over in terms of the rhetoric of peace, so fine...Does the euphemism "collateral damage" mean human lives? How can you be so callous? Aren't we in hell already? (...) What does "historically theirs" mean? I'd like an (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No cop-outs. The question is not, "How can you believe in God?", but, "How can you believe in man?!" God didn't do this, man did. I like how people expect God to intervene in self serving ways but they don't want Him to interfere with their (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True; I can't say specifically why this happened. Perhaps, instead, I could offer the "evil is a mystery" cop-out? Perhaps He let this happen to shock us out of complacency. America is used to living securely and safely; contented people are (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mark, I'm glad you spoke up, because I was beginning to think I might be the only one who thought this way. Although I can't speak for Mr. Sandlin, I have the same feelings as Mark wrote about, and I am an atheist. I am an archaeologist and one of (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me say this before I delve into responding point by point below: Ideally, I agree with the sentiments below. They reflect the Christian principles that I hold dear and believe will someday be realized when Christ returns - but not before (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think anyone is saying we should kill innocents. Official statements refer to "those responsible". However, regrettably some collateral damage is unavoidable. As a side note: when did this notion of "killing the innocent" in war arise? (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: We don't live in America, America lives in US!
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I'll play at Solomon here, Dan. Can we divide the baby and each of you take half and be happy? Jerusalem I would give to the U.N. or some other multi-nation organization ad infinitum -- that everyone may visit there in peace. I'm SO tired of the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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