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(...) I was replying in kind. Take it as you please, but I wasn't the first. My point was that it's a bad analogy because even with narcotic/alcohol prohibition, the first thing the criminals do is arm themselves. (...) Ah - a smiley. Hmm. Why am I (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wouldn't call a religious based argument dumb and petty (even if it is being asked for on nonreligious grounds, i.e. separation of church and state, or "what about the atheists?"), it might get a whole new thread going ;-) Oops, too late. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is certainly a valid point, and close to home since a co-worker in the next building over from mine had his son involved in this very incident (thankfully unharmed). But it was the presense of armed guards, not Joe Blow with a concealed (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying, in essence (in this thread, and, like all of us, across many other threads), that you want to preserve, for example, your Constitutionally-enumerated right to bear arms, but you want to curtail someone else's (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a *fantastic* summation. I read the various Chronicles in my early twenties, but when I tried to reread them a few years later I couldn't do it. One of Donaldson's greatests strengths is an obvious love of the language, coupled with a (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) RICO. I think it is "Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations" or something close to that. It's a great little law if you also like civil forfeiture... (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don't post much here, but I'd like to say that the criminal will always find a way to obtain firearms, regardless if the society in which he lives has banned them. As for banning firarms themselves? We must remember that one of Adolf Hitler's (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I understand it, that is a fairly typical experience. (...) I think that some people want it gone for that reason, but I think that's kind of dumb and petty. The real reason to be done with it is that requiring any kind of pledge of (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I remember saying the pledge of allegiance up until about the fifth grade. After that, I remember only reciting it rarely. It could have been the switch in schools, or a regional thing. I'm not sure. If I am remembering correctly, the ACLU was (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How unconstitutional that would be. -) (...) If you still thought you were right, and the state allowed criticism, another option could be to stay and try to persuade others your view for correct. After all, if you were to flee, you would (I (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, but in the mean time you'd be supporting evil. Some people seem to find that unacceptable. The best short term option would be to stay, breaking the law, and look for ways to change the system or better places to go. (...) That's the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think it was humor. I think he was being snotty. (...) Only if you consider a national bloodbath and endless guerilla war "bad." :-) (...) Ayup! And you know why we won't end the war on drugs? Because the police support it. You know (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. We are specifically and knowingly indoctrinating (brainwashing) a sense of nationalism in our children. I find it reprehensible and occasionally write to the ACLU urging them to tackle the problem. I would like the see (at least) the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you still thought you were right, and the state allowed criticism, another option could be to stay and try to persuade others your view for correct. But where would you go if you were to leave the USA in the manner you describe above, which (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The below is a good question but does not address the question I raised above... (...) This is a good question... it gets to the root of, does one accept unconditional majority rule? The constitution is a fundamental document, superior (in the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So what IS your point then? My point is that there are more dangerous things than guns. If I am not mistaken, one of the statistics sited here directly showed that most gun deaths are actually suicides...and that the percentage of child deaths is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmm...I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic directly with me or if you were merely adding more humor... If, perchance, you missed my meaning here, purhaps I can clear it up a bit... Making guns illegal will only make things worse. Narcotics were (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I feel the same way. Although, I think this varies drastically from country-to-country. I was working in Northern Denmark a few years ago, and I was amazed at how many houses had the Danish flag flying (I estimate 10-20%!). If I were to do (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe it is just a cultural thing... if I saw a Scot burning a St Andrew's Cross I'd think he was either a bit on the daft side and/or had more money than sense, shrug my shoulders and walk on. Were I a seller of St Andrew's Cross flags I'd be (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But the fundamental question is, if something contrary to your personal view is chosen at the end of the legal process by a majority decision, would you abide by it? If it meant giving up your unconditional requirement to arm yourself, would (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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