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News from the Danish Broadcasting Corporation yesterday: (URL) translations) »Minifigs having sex and going to gay bars is not a part of Lego's values« Thomas Reil, The Lego Group says: »It is something we distance ourselves strongly from. Therefore (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch) !!
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(...) ...but arming minifigs with pistols, rifles, crossbows, bows and arrows, swords, knives, spears, lances, dynamite, and other implements of destructions which in real life cause horrible pain and misery is apparently in-line with their value (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) I am disheartened by both TLC's attitude toward how people use their products and this reaction from LUGNET (so much for a family newsgroup, eh). If TLC is sucessful in their pursuit to remove objectionable films made with their products, I (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) I think they do, and I think your analogy is unfair. One could argue that tyranny, evil, and oppression are unavoidable in this world-- to defend against such is both honorable and necessary. To me, *that* is where TLC focuses their attention (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) That sounded just as bad as the animations, if you ask me. Please, if you cannot withstand from using such language, at least semi-censor it by using asterisks. Remember: there are, I am sure, younger people then me here. -- Mark Nelson Age 14 (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) In the "good old days" minifigs were essentially sexless. They all pretty much looked the same with the same smily face. Before that, minifigs didn't have movable arms or legs, so they looked like little people in body casts. Today's minifigs (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Disagree. <!-- heading off-topic... --> Problem #1 - It teaches violent solutions as acceptable solutions (perhaps even encouraged?) to moral dilemmas. Problem #2 - It further solidifies a distinction between good and evil which doesn't exist (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Eduardo, Tienes una boca llena de mierda. ("You're a potty-mouth.") (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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I've never even heard of these animations. Are they something new, or just some obscure little files that no one ever paid attention to until now? If kids are watching them, then yes, that's bad. I imagine, however, that those of us in LUGNET are (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) And there was I thinking that the Guarded Inn has always looked a bit on the camp side... Jennifer (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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I wonder how this will affect the Brick Testament? The Bible has some very interesting stories... KL (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Of course. Sometimew it is *unavoidable* Please provide an acceptable solution to stopping the moral dilemma of the Nazi tyranny in WWII without violence. (...) Disagree. I think good and evil can be distinguished IRL. Sometimes it's harder (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The film being referenced (at least from the pic that shows up on the site that Jacob cited, I don't speak Danish so I can't attest to the text of the article) is from a film called "Rick & Steve: the Happiest Gay Couple in All the World." It (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) I suppose at John's response you would question what it means to "develop normally" and what it means to be a "mature healthy adult." I want to throw my name in with those who believe there is a difference between good and evil. I would (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah-- I agree in principle. That it IS sometimes unavoidable. But making it more commonplace gives it the appearance of not so much of an last-resort, and more of a general solution. (...) Disagree. :) See: evil [below] (...) Evil (ee-vil): 1) (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From my particular standpoint, it would only be morally good when the person doing it honestly believed they were doing good. However, it doesn't mean that the person shouldn't be stopped-- nor that one would be morally wrong to try and stop (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, (and sorry for straying OT;-) bringing LEGO back into the discussion, fantasy play IMO is best when the stakes are high (saving the world or even better, the universe), from the evil Ogel [the *very* antithesis of LEGO and all that is (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And here I thought it was cuz politicians were more evil than war! :) (...) I will agree that in a fantasy realm it's better than in a realistic-fantasy realm. IE a futuristic fantasy with violence is "better" than a modern fantasy with (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am shocked and disgusted at anyone who would be immoral and low enough to display these films on the Internet. Even though I have not watched them, I have learned enough reading this thread. It is not right for anyone to display this trash (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Well, 1st off, I have to defend free speech. I mean, after all, back in the 50's (or so) bikinis were indecent. Way back in the 20's, showing your calves (or was it knees?) in public was a disgrace. Supposedly there's blue laws in Boston about (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Up yours! Tu tambien capullo Now this gay idea of making LEGO minifigs that are gay, transexual, lesbians... is stupid. I understand and agree with my cousin, when I was 7 she changed all my minifig's legs to bricks 1x2, those bricks where (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) (Church of Jesus Christ of) Latter Day Saints; commonly refered to as Mormons. (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No matter what the standards of reavealing parts of one's body, depictions of LEGO minifigs being gay and doing you-know-what-else is evil and immoral. (...) A member of The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. In other words, a (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you that past standards or changes in standards is no reason to permit something now, but I disagree with your idea of evil. Just why is LEGO intercourse evil? Now if you meant people forwarding thier own ideas about the mores of (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Based on what criterion, exactly? Is it still evil to do the same in a different medium? If I, say, posted something similar using crayola crayons, is it still evil? How about if I use a purposely falic novelty pen? IE, is it the connection (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Eduardo, I agree with you that people should not make gay minifigs. I just didn't like the vulgar language you used to express your thoughts. Fuzzy (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) There is nothing wrong with making gay minifigs, any more than there is with making heterosexual minifigs. Sexual content may be inappropriate for kids, but a pair of gay minifigs doing non-sexual things (like simply living together, or (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) minifigs. How innocuous! Bert Waters (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Maybe you should check it out first, Curt, so you can at least understand the CONTEXT of the images presented? Just a suggestion. I haven't seen it yet either (because my computer is sssssslooooooowwww so I rarely see anything animated) but I (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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I'm with Dan on this, I'd love to see this stuff myself but my 56k works agains me when downloading animation. I actually have the impression that this "smut" may actually have been done tastefully... but I may never know for myself. (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Please take this to email, guys. (...) You made your point and you have a right to an opinion. Now, I'm interested to know why you think this. (...) Meaning that all the Lego minifigs looked male and she wanted to have some females as well? (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) I disagree. To me, the Lego minifig as always been aracial. Yes, it tends to have the physical characteristics of a caucasian, but it is not hard to take the same skin tone and change the features and come up with a black guy. (I think this (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Dan, while I'll agree with you on most points in your post, I still don't think that allowing a 14 year old to view smut (even in the ABS) is acceptible. The films (and other sites of this nature) are there for adult viewing and adult viewing (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) You're probably right, Dan. I might have been a little too vehement in stating my opinions without watching the film, but the very idea that someone would do this using LEGOs appalls me. (...) That also is a good point. I believe that what (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) There are only a few "evil" Brickfilms or not sutable for children. There are hundreds of cool, fun Brickfilms and these "good" brickiflms shouldn't be stopped because of a few smutty once Some brckfilm sites: www.brickfilms.com (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) All Brickfilms? or just these two (Girl and Rick and Steve) To everyone who has followed this thread: Please don't think that LEGO animation is a bad thing. There are lots of great claymation films out there but does "rex the runt" make (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) think (...) Yahoo (...) Why not? if it is _legal_ for them to do it, then why not legal to view it? Are you afraid that they might see what sex is? I think there is enough warning that what they are going to see is adult that it should clue (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello folks, Some of you may know me, others may not. I'm Jason Rowoldt, the founder and webmaster of the site www.brickfilms.com. Someone posted this article and the associate press frenzy in the Danish media on the forum of Brickfilms.com. We have (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch) !!
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(...) No, to me the issue at hand is the lack of responsibility and common sense on your part. Creating "adult" movies out of LEGO MFs is just plain stupid and tasteless. (...) Oh, really Jason? Are all LEGO hobbies that equal? I sell bricks on (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) The phrase "adult movies" has become a euphemism for pornography, but I believe Jason meant it in the sense of "movies targeted at adults", which is what most of the films you see in theatres are. Adult characters, themes, situations - not (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Very well said! Despite your age, consider yourself one of the more mature members of the group here today! :) -H. (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Ug. I was trying to read through all the posts on this thread, but I started getting a bad taste in my mouth. I want to go back and get the good feeling that Brad's posts have given me in the Lego Direct newsgroup... As far as the legality of (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Well, I hear about MFs being depicted as gay. How else can one know the sexual orientation of a MF unless one sees that MF engaging in sexual activity. Depictions of sex is the definition of pornography. (...) If it were just one or two (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Your definition of "pornographic" is clearly out of sync with the generally-accepted definitions in society, then. I haven't seen the brickfilm in question, but my understanding is that it is not *about* sex, though it happens to have sex in (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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"William R Ward" <bill@wards.net> wrote in message news:m23d242o2n.fsf@...rds.net... (...) Well - if according to you its similar to "R" rated films, then they should be treated like "R" rated films. Those films are restricted to people over 18 (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi John, Since you have personally attacked me, I feel I need to respond. However, I'm (going to try to) not personally attack you in response. I don't think that's going to do anything. From the nature of the comments you have left, I can tell (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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In lugnet.mediawatch, John Neal writes: <snip> I'm having a hard time reconciling "Jason Rowoldt" and "merely another slimeball" as phrases that belong in the same *post*, frankly. Jason has done a great deal of good for the hobby with his efforts, (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Equal? No. Different. I can certainly imagine some of the more privilaged of us on Lugnet who aren't after pieces, but after the collecting part of the hobby (or some such) who might value movies above Brickbay sales. I don't think you have (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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"John" <johnneal@qwest.net> wrote in message news:GopoH3.CFF@lugnet.com... (...) on (...) and (...) John - I hope you can settle down and move beyond personal attacks and discuss this rationally. I know you're above this. Jason - I see merit in what (...) (23 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Why? Just because the US _tries_ to restrict the showing of "R" rated material -that doesn't mean that the material should be restricted. Go to your local public libary. Ask for a copy of Lolita. I'm fairly sure you can get it on most libary (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"James Powell" <wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote in message news:Goq2K4.Irv@lugnet.com... (...) material (...) local (...) on (...) are (...) monitor (...) how (...) I never said it wasn't the parent's responsibility to monitor what material a (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I get (from Pocket Oxford) 1. A human creative skill or its application (snipped some stuff about beauty). I would say that the films _do_ represent "a human creative skill or its application", therefore are "art". I think they are at least (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you're wrong. I'd love to have a rational discussion about this subject. Basically, you are ignorant of the (...) If you would, I would like to hear from you what the issues are here, because I think we are talking about 2 different (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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"James Powell" <wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote in message news:GoqCy3.F37@lugnet.com... (...) many (...) attacked. (...) people (...) an (...) I'm sorry, I wasn't clear enough and because of that you misinterpreted my intent. I meant to say - I (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) .... (...) Your opinion, and entitled to it, however it is also your choice to participate. Or to allow those you are responsible for knowing whether they should participate. (...) I think Lego was right in making a statement, however I think (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Mark, you are taking my "rant" a little out of context. Assuming you are an adult, I couldn't care less about what you watch-- my concern is protecting children from unsuitable material. It is our *duty* as adults in a civilized society to (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Sure, a computer whiz-kid could probably defeat blocking software, but the real intent of such products, in my mind, is to prevent random hits from search engines when a child is researching breast cancer, for instance. I am more worried about (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jason has listed every movie he has recived (I think) and I don't think its his responsibility at all. It was listed on the site as a "Brickfilm" not a porn film. (...) "Display?" It is hosted on another site and made by a totally diffrent (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Wow. (...) I hadn't either, but I went investigating and watched several brickfilms and all of them included either violence or sex. I'd get revved up about the violence long before the sex. After all, violence is bad and sex is good. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I almost would. (...) The rape and non sex violence is more a problem than the sex. I mean, sex is just sex. (...) Hunh? Why the heck not? Chris (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because if kids were to know more and understand more about being an adult, they wouldn't _need_ you as much. They could practice at being adults themselves instead of being kept powerless and ignorant by their aged opressors. Man, that's (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Brickbay, (...) enjoying (...) *Anybody* (...) require (...) your (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So? (...) John, good point! At least Jason is promoting creativity. (...) Filth is in the eye of the beholder. (...) Sorry to break it to you, but 'porn' and 'quality' are not mutually exclusive. It is an economic happenstance that porn is (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Adult content" is a ludicrous phantom. It is a code word for anything that biggotted right-wing Bible thumpers want to excise from society in order to "protect" the ignorance of children. (...) No. Sex is a topic. It is an appropriate topic (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tim, do you really think that watching Rick and Steve is unsafe for children? Chris (Who thinks the responsible thing to do is warn viewers of the content and let them decide for themselves.) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) require (...) Wait a minute! Kissing is (or often is) sexual. When twelve year olds hold hands at the mall, that's sexual too. Sexual describes a huge range of behaviors, the vast majority of which are healthy. Why should age verification take (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) it (...) That's because sex is neither good nor evil. (...) What you think of as normal and healthy is not. It is a stunted charicature of humanity. People seek out experiences when they are ready for them. This information isn't being forced (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I really don't have any interest in LEGO films anyway, so I probably won't watch any of them. (...) I believe that some films can be and are good, I just don't really enjoy LEGO movies, including immoral ones. Curt Tigges (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) A man and a woman who come with two kids isn't an expressly heterosexual couple? What would they have to do be so? Chris (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said why. 3 is in my view too young to get into the anatomical details of how exactly gay love works. Or straight love for that matter. It's frankly, likely to be boring to the 3 year old anyway and not particularly relevant. But the part (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Read that again, "explicit sexual content" Explicit; that means clearly defined. In this case the sexual act itself which is what we are discussing. Age verification has become somewhat standardized across the internet. (some of it by law, (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) real (...) Why? Take a look at the 2600 page- or even better : (URL) you put too much faith in a computer to censor? If you do any research, you will find that the blocking engines don't work-and _do_ block some sites they shouldn't on (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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That is my right, my privalidge. (...) I'm sorry if I insulted you, really I was trying to make a point with a message that embodied what I feared. I actually looked at a number of messages, saw a pattern and had to speak my truth. First, I don't (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) -its just that "family values" are too often used as a codeword to bash gays and lesbians. Having lived in a womans housing coop for 8 years, I was fairly well exposed to most possible combinations of alternate relationships- and I won't (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I missed that. I'm still missing it, in fact, as I read back through your note. The sum of what you wrote on this specific subthread is: (...) And I agree with every last detail of your note except when you suggest that three year olds (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It can be. S & M, which combines sex and violence is evil; rape is evil. (...) What I am talking about is presenting adult material *before* a child is mature enough to handle it. In this example, a child wouldn't be seeking out this (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My opinion. (...) And I don't want filth in the eye of my or anyone else's child. (...) Please cite examples, or are you speaking hypothetically? (...) Come again? Porn has *everything* to do with money and nothing to do with creativity. There (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, first of all, I owe you a thanks. I was kind of excited by your tone in some notes and I wrote more hotly than was wise. You either didn't take it that way or only calmly replied. Thanks. (...) But I'm saying that it might not _be_ filth in my (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did not know that. (...) But since we are talking about children who *don't* have sexual urges, then it *isnt't* appropriate. The very nature of having such feelings is indicative of the (...) I disagee. (...) Learning comes in stages. We (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not? It is only by exposure to all kinds of stimuli that children are able to understand and begin to make sense of the world around them. (...) This is false. Eroticism is part of what it is to be human. If you want to shut off that part (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol Well I came in a little strong, and so now I'm trying to tone down:-) (...) But you agree that at some point it *could* be. (...) hehe I know nothing about the porn industry, except that I hear it's huge, and that it's largely due to the (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excuse me? S&M is not "evil"- as long as the people taking part are consenting (over age of consent, whatever that is where the act takes place), it is no more "evil" than sex in the missonary position between a man and his lawfully married (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richard, do you think there are any ideas or images to which access should be prevented or restricted? I was once offended by an afternoon TV show about coprophilia at the perfect time for kids to come home from school and flip on the TV. I am (...) (23 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) Yah, no kidding. I want to chime in here for a bit. What *is* the big deal about this? I thought the government was supposed to be seperate from the church, yet it seems that most (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I second this. It's a little off topic -- but I recently heard/learned that kissing was made popular by the Romans. Now, I don't know if that is true, but it's interesting to think that something commonplace today -- even in public -- (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good Post. As a parent, I am diligent in censoring inappropriate material. As an individual, I am diligent in protecting free speech. There is a delicate balancing line here. I just hope I do the right thing for my children. That is my (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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First, let me say that I have not so far in my own life ever had a child. I may never have a child. So perhaps you may think I don't have an educated opinion. In fact, most of my views come from how I was raised. So really, if you have a beef with (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You will also find that many people who act so liberal about it get very uncomfortable to see a woman breastfeeding a baby over six or eight months old, say. Yet in many cultures (and presumably in ours at one time) children breastfeed for a (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) old, (...) I know four people (two unrelated Africans and two sibling Americans) who breastfed to either 4 or 5. They recall suckling at their mother's teat. My first reaction was to think that would be very odd. But I'm sure they all have (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The scariest part of this whole announcement to me - and something that very few people in this discussion have touched upon - is that for the first time, The Lego Company is telling us what we can or cannot build with Lego! Think about this! Modern (...) (23 years ago, 24-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Well, now you know. Remember it because it will pop up from time to time and only Bible-thumpers (and those supported by them) use it. (...) WRONG! The first thing you learn in Early Childhood Education is that EVERYONE has sexual urges to (...) (23 years ago, 26-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ummm, only if you believe being gay is immoral. Luckily for gay people, I and enough other people don't believe that (or at the least don't worry about it enough to persecute gay people). -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. John made himself look disgusting and ignorant with that post. Then again, he's the one that wants the machine to do his parenting for him...how's that for ignorant? -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What a load of crap. If the S is happy, and the M is happy, who the HELL are you to call it evil? Self-righteous bigot. Hide behind your righteousness if you want, but it won't disguise that you're a bigot. (...) Rape is not sex. It's not (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rather narrow-minded opinion at that. (...) Ah, now that's your right... (...) Now here, you need to BUTT OUT! Quit forcing your narrow-minded morality on everyone else. (...) Quality film-MAKING has nothing to do with the content. Is that so (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Forgive me for jumping in late here, but I haven't been hanging around .debate much the past few days... (...) And at some point it *could* be the finest piece of art ever crafted by humankind; *that* is the point at which we should decide. To (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, true significance of a work of art is often only realized until after an artist's death. My point is that if Jason is linking to *all* submissions to his site; it won't take long for some idiot to submit something that even Jason will (...) (23 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) is (...) No. If he wants support from LEGO, then probably, he will have to be more selective (editorial/censorshipish, however you want to define it). However, if Jason is willing to forgo the actual financial support of LEGO, then he should (...) (23 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I am not sure who the anarchist is, but you seem to have a strange view concerning the defense of freedom of speech and expression. Defending freedom of speech generally means defending the right of anyone to express whatever (...) (23 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. But, so? Instances of significant artistic achievement have also often been branded as pornographic for a time. That seems more apropos to the discussion. You wrote "Avant garde. Ptooey." in an earlier note, but what about the avant (...) (23 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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