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Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms"
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Date: 
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:33:00 GMT
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In lugnet.mediawatch, William R. Ward writes:
> "John" <johnneal@qwest.net> writes:
> > In lugnet.mediawatch, Jason Rowoldt writes:
> > > First, it looks like the discussion here has dengenerated into a
> > > gay/anti-gay or rather freedom of gender/sexual orientation portrayal of
> > > minifigs.  I'll try to stay away from that whole topic and focus more on the
> > > relavant issue at hand, which is really at the core of this group and what
> > > we are.
> > 
> > No, to me the issue at hand is the lack of responsibility and common sense on
> > your part.  Creating "adult" movies out of LEGO MFs is just plain stupid and
> > tasteless.
> 
> The phrase "adult movies" has become a euphemism for pornography, but
> I believe Jason meant it in the sense of "movies targeted at adults",
> which is what most of the films you see in theatres are.  Adult
> characters, themes, situations - not pornography.  It was an
> unfortunate choice of words.

Well, I hear about MFs being depicted as gay.  How else can one know the sexual
orientation of a MF unless one sees that MF engaging in sexual activity.
Depictions of sex is the definition of pornography.
> 
> > > To me, LEGO bricks are a hobby.  They are a really fun thing to collect and
> > > to to build with for many of us.  I know that some of us have started
> > > reselling LEGO bricks via Brickbay, some of us have done commissioned works
> > > for LEGO sculptures, and some of us have made movies.  I'm one of the ones
> > > that makes movies.
> > 
> > Oh, really Jason?  Are all LEGO hobbies that equal?  I sell bricks
> > on Brickbay, you display LEGO porn-- sorry, I don't buy it.
> 
> If you go to the theatre and see a movie that includes a love scene
> where two characters are having sex, do you call that a porn film?

If it were just one or two scenes, I would call it a film (probably lousy,
because any film maker who felt the need to include such scenes is a money-
grubbing hack with no artistic integrity IMO) with gratuitous sex.  If the film
were about sex and portrays sex in every scene or so, then yes, I'd call it
pornographic.
  I
> wouldn't.  It might be "R" rated, but it isn't porn.  That's the type
> of film that Jason is defending, not a XXX explicit pornographic film.

I am concerned about the whole *idea* of portraying MFs in adult situations when
it is easily accessed by children.  Frankly, I don't care what he does with his
MFs in the privacy of his own house, but I have a big problem with him or anyone
else for that matter making this "art" freely accessable on the net.  As I
mentioned before, let him utilize an adult ID check if he feels he cannot
compromise his "artistic integrity" -- in that event, I wouldn't have a problem
with it.  Otherwise, he is a merely yet another slimeball who uses the First
Amendment to cover for is own irresponsible behavior.

-John
> 
> --Bill.



Message has 3 Replies:
  Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms"
 
(...) Your definition of "pornographic" is clearly out of sync with the generally-accepted definitions in society, then. I haven't seen the brickfilm in question, but my understanding is that it is not *about* sex, though it happens to have sex in (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)
  Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms"
 
In lugnet.mediawatch, John Neal writes: <snip> I'm having a hard time reconciling "Jason Rowoldt" and "merely another slimeball" as phrases that belong in the same *post*, frankly. Jason has done a great deal of good for the hobby with his efforts, (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms"
 
(...) Because if kids were to know more and understand more about being an adult, they wouldn't _need_ you as much. They could practice at being adults themselves instead of being kept powerless and ignorant by their aged opressors. Man, that's (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms"
 
(...) The phrase "adult movies" has become a euphemism for pornography, but I believe Jason meant it in the sense of "movies targeted at adults", which is what most of the films you see in theatres are. Adult characters, themes, situations - not (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch)

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