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Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms"
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Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:20:27 GMT
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In lugnet.mediawatch, James Powell writes:
> 
> > Well - if according to you its similar to "R" rated films, then they should
> > be treated like "R" rated films.  Those films are restricted to people over
> > 18 unless they have adult supervision.  Shouldn't the same apply here?
> > 
> > I agree with John - it is not being handled responsibly when it is freely
> > accessible to children.
> 
> 
> Why?  Just because the US _tries_ to restrict the showing of "R" rated material
> -that doesn't mean that the material should be restricted.  Go to your local
> public libary.  Ask for a copy of Lolita.  I'm fairly sure you can get it on
> most libary cards-excepting the "under 12" cards.  If, as a parent, you are
> afraid of the content which your childern are seeing, you _need_ to monitor
> with them what their choices of sites are on the internet.  (read
> www.peacefire.org, or www.2600.com or www.spectical.org for examples of how
> blocking software doesn't work)

Sure, a computer whiz-kid could probably defeat blocking software, but the real
intent of such products, in my mind, is to prevent random hits from search
engines when a child is researching breast cancer, for instance.

I am more worried about accidental stumblings onto inappropriate sites rather
than thwarting mischievous 12 year old boys....
> 
> 
> Don't blame the medium for the message.  In this case, Brickfilms is linking to
> another site.  IIRC, the content of the other site is not the responsiblity of
> the linking site, nor is providing restrictions to what content is on other
> sites a responsibility of the linking site.  In this case, brickfilms has
> followed good, sound practice, and indicates that the film contains "adult"
> themes.

hehe To a 12 year old boy, "Warning, Adult Content" reads "Check *this* out!";-)

The computer with net access of today is akin to the Playboy left around the
house of yesterday-- it's all about accessibility.  Then, you hid the Playboy;
now you restrict net access.
> 
> If you don't like it, don't watch the film.  But, then don't be critical of
> those of us who have watched it, and found it funny -and are upset at Lego for
> trying to get it removed.  It _is_ artwork - no matter if it is in "bad" taste
> or not.  It is not strict porn - at least, I didn't find it arousing, and since
> that is what 'porn' is supposed to do, it wouldn't fit into what I consider
> porn.n  Mature content, yes.  Artwork, yes.  Porn, no.

Let's not get into a debate over what the definition of art is-- art is
everything, and so consequently art is nothing.  True, I do hold disdain for
people who would create pornographic images, movies, whatever from LEGO, and
that's my opinion.  Fine.  I'm not trying to stop them.  But what I am arguing
for is restrictions for this kind of material so that it won't be seen by
minors.
> 
> (and yes, I do think that registering the page with the various sites that _do_
> block sites is a good thing to do- but, at the same time, don't think that a
> machine can do your job as a parent)

Agreed!  I just happen to believe my job as a parent is to get a machine to do
the job;-)

-John



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(...) real (...) Why? Take a look at the 2600 page- or even better : (URL) you put too much faith in a computer to censor? If you do any research, you will find that the blocking engines don't work-and _do_ block some sites they shouldn't on (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) Why? Just because the US _tries_ to restrict the showing of "R" rated material -that doesn't mean that the material should be restricted. Go to your local public libary. Ask for a copy of Lolita. I'm fairly sure you can get it on most libary (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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