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Hello David! There can be no color debate thread without you, right? ;)
In lugnet.color, David Koudys wrote:
> Here is where I have the issue--to *you* it's the worst decision the company
> ever made
OF COURSE it is to ME. Who do you think did type this? My CAT??
> .... and those that don't think as such are somehow
> 'kissing up' to TLC.
In fact I'm afraid there is not much thinking at all involved with those posts.
Different interests sometimes, maybe. However, remember that's just my opinion
...
> You cannot state emphatically, "This is the worst decision ever made"
You'd like to bet?
Watch me:
THIS IS THE WORST DECISION STUPID WHITE MEN OF TLG HAVE EVER MADE!
Well?
> I know really great builders that don't really care about the colour change
I don't know any. But let's come back to this in a moment, ok?
> What makes your "dedicated AFOL's who think that the
> colour change is the worst thing" superior to my "dedicated AFOL's who are
> ambivalent to the colour change"?
Oh good, that one is easy: "dedicated AFOL's who are ambivalent to the colour
change" is a contradiction in terms. (just me again ...)
> how do you think that this animosity is actually "improving
> the situation"
Animosity? I was referring to the blay-situation from a builder's point of view
- a point of view you're apparently not sharing. You seem to get me all wrong
deliberately.
> My belief is that you're causing consternation with TLC in
> general--you're alienating the very people who would do, and have actually have
> done, good work for the AFOL community. If I were an executive at TLC, I would
> have 'turned a blind eye' to the AFOL community due to the apparent childish
> behaviour that they display when TLC makes business decisions.
You already made your point clear, several times in fact. "Be a nice tame AFOL,
and you shall be rewarded - or not. Wouldn't really matter because we are an
ambivalent group of happy folks either way".
And *I* am still not convinced that a crowd of cheerleading AFOLs will do us
(ok, ME) any good, as far as products are concerned I could actually buy. Try
harder, please.
> I'm not asking anyone to not voice an opinion. But look at your post right
> here--it's presumtuous (speaking for a large group of supposed 'great builders
> so we *must* listen to them!)
That's right! In this case I happen to KNOW a large number of great guys behind
me you should indeed listen to. Some of them are skilled builders, some own
excellent Bricklink shops, others are active in other ways. You'll find their
names on the petition.
Where's the list of your supporters, anyway?
> it's stand-offish "I don't like what you say so
> you just shouldn't talk!"
You assume too much. A stand-off? Hear hear. That's like General Custer telling
the Indians "surrender, you're surrounded!". Well, this way at least some
Indians would have died from laughing too hard.
> Yes it does--it concerns me and my friends who, in my opinion, are 'great
> designers' as well. Myself, as well as they, don't mind the new colours.
> -3 time 1st place winner of rtlToronto LEGO Mindstorms competitions (does that
> put me in a cetegory of 'great builder'?
Did I get you right you're mostly in designing Mindstorms robots? Yes?
Apparently you're even good at it. Well, that would explain alot. I would gladly
listen to your opinion if, say, LEGO did change some vital part of the
Mindstorms system, making new stuff incompatible to your existing collection. I
really wonder what you would say?
But it's true, as a Mindstorms designer you couldn't care less about changes of
SYSTEM colors. I see your point. But this is also why I think the color debate
isn't exactly your battlefield. Of course no one can keep you from having and
(help us God) stating your opinion over and over again. But to ME your opinion
(as a Mindstorms head) carries less weight than the opinion of some (no, SOME)
particular other people. That's the natural way with opinions, they DO come with
different weights. Or would YOU take your haircutter's health advice serious?
No, of course not - you would ask your doctor.
I wonder what makes you fight so hard against what I call "dedicated AFOLs" and
their valid concerns (me again ...)? Well, in your position, and if TLG would
happen to support my local Mindstorms events, I would probably be very concerned
about pesky complainers pissing off our valuably LEGO contacts, too!
See? It's not a matter of different points of view. It is a matter of different
(and very material) interests!
yours,
"Primus" Burkhard, humble LEGO builder
Brick Commander (LEGO & BattleTech)
Official BattleTech & Mechwarrior Fan-Site
http://www.BrickCommander.com
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| (...) The issue wasn't explicitly stated as such. The issue was explicitly stated, in the original post, as coming from the AFOL community, not just you. (...) ANd you should, indeed, state your opinion, but make it abundantly clear that it is your (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.color, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| (snip) Bottom line--it's a matter of opinion. One opinion is okay with the color change, the other is not. This sounds like a debate that ranks up there with politics and abortion. The German AFOL community has been most vocal about this, and (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jan-05, to lugnet.color)
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