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The LEGO Elements Image Catalog, currently at (URL), is in the process of relocating to a new home on LUGNET. See it at (URL). Right now, the catalog is at both locations. This will continue at least until the next release of new parts for LDraw. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.announce)
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| | Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:3843F5D9.BCB346...ger.net... (...) CSTUD.DAT? (...) cloned (...) Just be sure to change the header information (name, author, official status) in the CSTUD.DAT file. Asside from that, a copy (...) (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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<943972405.972346@ns.cci.dk> <FM0oEv.HKM@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) NO! If you DARE make clone parts you have to make all your own primitives. In fact, you can't use lines either, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Problems with Ldraw related sites
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(...) The only other thing I'd want is a "MyParts" page, where an author could update just their own entries, without scrolling through everything in the current list. Would make it easier to update stuff already added to the list. Steve (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Jonathan Wilson wrote in message <3843E48B.43C8134E@x...il.com>... (...) Yes, L3P uses a simple case-insensitive string compare of the DAT names. Only (a part of the) known primitives are substituted. L3P cannot know what some-one is going to put (...) (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) it (...) recognized (...) named (...) Would it be all right if I simply copied the STUD.DAT file to CSTUD.DAT? More specifically, would there be any purity concerns about using the cloned primitive? Dave! (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Problems with Ldraw related sites
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[ FUT lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw ] Manfred: (...) I have written Zach and asked him what is happening, but it looks like part of the problem is related to a misconfiguration of the server (I didn't get any HTTP 404 errors, only 403's). If anybody are (...) (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.people)
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(...) Would using a cstud.dat file mean that the stud wouldn't be re-done or whatever as pov-ray promotives? -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message ... (...) Right, only L3P's primitive substitute for "stud.dat" contains the logo. BTW, no-one has complained about the logos on e.g. left wings, that are implemented as a mirroring of a right wing :-) /Lars (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Problems with Ldraw related sites
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote: [snip] (...) Tim Courtney replied: (...) When it still was accessible for me, I've been using the Parts Tracker a lot. In my opinion the latest version of this site was working quite well (...) (25 years ago, 30-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Old Parts replaced by Newer Versions?
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(...) I'd say functionally-different variants are pretty important. Jamie's example of the "Plate 1 x 1 with Clip Light" is one example of an important variation. An example that has been discussed at length on L-CAD and lugnet.cad.dev at length. (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I believe that would take care of the problem. CSTUD.DAT wouldn't be recognized by LDraw and LEdit as anything special--these two programs recognize files named stud*.dat as special files; LDraw substitutes stu2*.dat when the fast draw option (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) It's funny you should mention that; I had the same thought once I'd downloaded the latest version of L3P and started messing around with the quality settings. If I were to use a CSTUD.DAT file, what would have to be different about it for L3P (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Dave Schuler <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:FLtn2z.KB3@lugnet.com... (...) or (...) be (...) with (...) stirred (...) clones, (...) to (...) to (...) clear (...) If (...) that: (...) clone- (...) the (...) shouldn't (...) of (...) (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not especially code-savvy, but I'll try to put something together without embarrassing myself! I'll mail you the link when I have something to show you. Thanks, Dave! (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ok, ok, I got it... Steve Bliss, your Great! Your LDAO fixed my problems! I had removed a few too many spaces when manually condensing the files. I will repost the dat files. Thanks anyway. Paul (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Moved to lugnet.cad.dev from lugnet.cad.dat.parts (...) this a problem on my computer, or is there something I need to fix in the dat file? (URL) the link above does not work, go to the message this was in reply to, it has the dat file attached to (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) In general, yes, we try to include variants where these are either visibly different (like solid-stud vs. hollow stud minifig heads), or functionally different. It's all a matter of priority (and access to the parts themseleves). What is most (...) (25 years ago, 28-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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(...) LOL :) Here we go, Dave. Set up your web page with your clone libraries on it and let me know the URL. I'll link to it from the ldraw.org links page. -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If you don't believe in Gosh, you'll go to Heck, where (...) (25 years ago, 28-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Tim Courtney skrev i meddelandet <4.2.0.58.1999112708...mm.com>... (...) models. (...) used (...) of (...) Well, I never said anything about making the models public in .dat-format, did I? I said _documenting_ my own work (or my kid's). (...) I (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) C'mon, Tim! I'm trying to play the persecuted martyr here, and you're not letting me! 8^) Dave! (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Off topic question Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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I'm not sure I understand your question perfectly, but I can use clones for two purposes: 1. A cool colour or shape that TLG does not supply. 2. Hacking! Building in micro-switches, making cable tunnels and such things. But I am a Lego purist in (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Off topic question Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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(...) yes i did it once.modified part 4864. cut it in half length wize, and used it as a indycar spoiler wing seen at < www.geocities.com/tb...talia2.gif > (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Off topic question Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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(...) Why not invert a plate in LDraw and group them together, use it as a submodel? You don't need to model something like what you described. But to answer the question, I don't know. Some people modify pieces by cutting them and such, would they (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Off topic question Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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(...) Do people model parts that don't exist in the LEGO universe? i.e. Plates with studs on both top and bottom, or bricks otherwise shaped in ways that have no real-world analogs? Just curious - I've glued plates together to get exactly that (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Which leads to another question. If you make a model with Lego bricks mixed with Byggis [1], how will the model be identified as such, and how will the individual clone pieces be identified as such? Obviously someone with a Lego-only (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Theoretically it would. I'm still holding on to the notion that (URL) should remain Lego-pure and the Lego aspect of it should not be shoved aside. Also, I wouldn't want to do all the work for each of the other sites, there would be a (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Tim Courtney skrev i meddelandet <4.2.0.58.1999112701...mm.com>... (...) [And many has said many things in this thread...] I think you are all a bit over-reacting! Of course www.ldraw.org should _mainly_ cover the LEGO use of LDRAW, as that's what (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Legal calamities aside, wouldn't it be cool if each clone or construction system could have its own subdomain of ldraw.org? (6 URLs) would solve all the issues perfectly. --Todd (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yeah, it is a very tricky subject, and could easily go either way IMO. (...) Naw, extreme is like no BURPs, CRAPPs, Town Jr. Pieces (that's not all wrong), even minifigs, like the Lego Purists' Pages. (...) Yeah. You could even go so far as to (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | ldraw.org Model of the Month Vote
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Just a reminder, voting is now taking place for the December ldraw.org Model of the Month contest. Voting will continue until Tuesday, November 30, when the new winner will be announced. -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If you don't believe in (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.general)
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(...) Yeah, a lot of things can change my mind on this :) I think we've discussed it enough for me to see the middle point and plant my feet down. Larry, you're right to an extent. I can't let my personal disgust towards non-Lego parts get in the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not against hosting imitation brand parts or libraries on ldraw.org, since LDraw's file format doesn't have any sort of LEGO-brand requirement. I'd *personally* be somewhat bothered to see non-LEGO stuff there, but I also think that it (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oh, I know you do, now. But I don't think Todd does (or maybe I'm not reading him right) and I think he's got a fair chance of changing your mind. (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Problems with Ldraw related sites
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(...) What's wrong with the current version? What problems (besides downtime) have been experienced? (...) Good question. Obviously its up to Zach to make the move, we're not stepping on any toes here. (...) :) -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I see what you're saying, but I think you're misunderstanding excluding 'parts' for 'people.' This isn't intended to exclude individuals from the group at Lugnet or from using ldraw.org. Its to keep the Lego brand aspect of LDraw and Lugnet (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) As of this point, I don't think ldraw.org should *host* clone parts packs, but it wouldn't do any harm to link to them off-site. IMASO the site should continue to promote Lego brand parts and editors which use the LDraw format, and not push (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) You're making me hungry, Todd. :) Good analogy. -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If you don't believe in Gosh, you'll go to Heck, where you'll face eternal darnation. (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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