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Michael Lachmann: (...) I think we agreed to use 0 CW and 0 CCW lines in the beginning of the files to indicate (C)CW compliancy, but you should have a look at what Steve actually has written in his parts. (...) It would be very nice if you (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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You mentioned that some parts have a "0 CW-Compliant" tag. Could we do something to make this a standard? Because than I could read this tag in MLCad and make the drawing faster!!!!! Tell me what you think! Mike (...) John VanZwieten wrote in (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) MAX2DAT isn't really meant to be a comprehensive part authoring tool... it's easy to build simple objects (like a 2x2 tile or 1x1 round plate) directly in LEdit with primatives... but objects like complex technic pieces, wheels, etc often have (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams wrote in message ... (...) Okay, I made a bad assumption there, since a group of polygons may terminate flush against another polygon, without touching its edges. But still I think a performance improvement could be realized by using (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Jean-Pierre PARIS wrote in message <37F3B871.74AE196F@w...doo.fr>... (...) My algorithm doesn't require the vertices to exactly match; I was intending to pass one ray per polygon through the dat object, not an arbitrarily large number. And only if (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ok, but I'm 95% sure that's where I grabbed the copy for ldraw.org originally.. :) Downloading now... -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm almost positive that the ldraw.exe at: (URL) include those updates, so Tim, please grab a copy. --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello, Ok guys, I already announced that I coded such a tool in Java. At present, only one Ldrawer has asked for the code. In fact, it's an alpha release. Thus, I should find beta testers first. Anyway it has already translated some pieces! Here is (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) They could also be differentiated simply by appending Type 1 and Type 2 to the name. Steve (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) primitive (...) the (...) ray (...) A hypothetical batch dat fixer program could examine the primitives first and flag the ones that were not closed volumes, since those would be the only ones that would (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LeoCAD for Linux (Was: Compiling MPD Builder/Splitter for DOS/Win?)
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Leonardo: [ LeoCAD for Linux can be found at (URL) ] I downloaded and installed it. Some problems: - I had to compile Mesa with the command make linux-386-elf (not "linux-shared-elf" as you write on the web site). - Gtk+-1.2 is neccesary. - LeoCAD (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams <graywolf@pcpros.net> wrote in message news:FIvo77.F2B@lugnet.com... (...) In the case I'm talking about, 1 primitive is used in 1 instance to be both an outer face and an inner face. In this case, you'd have to fix it manually by (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I was curious, how do you add a stud to a part if you're using MAX2DAT ? Can it be done in 3DS or you have to edit the part later ? I thought that we've agreed that the new parts would have to pass L3P tests for coincident verts and bow-ties, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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On my system, 2409.dat is dated June 23, 1997. Which would put it in the right range for being in James Jessiman's final part-update, LP97-14. I'm not seeing this on www.ldraw.org (I didn't look *that* hard), but you can get it from James' website, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) When you draw a part with a pattern transparently, I guess it's not a good idea to remove the backfaces or you might not see the pattern from some angles. (...) About that discussion, IMO it would be better to have *everything* CCW instead of (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) It wouldn't be impossible to fix primitive usage so that primitives such as 4-4cyli.dat are always applied as infinitely thin 1-sided objects. Would that solve the problem? (...) I don't think re-engineering the library is impossible. (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) (URL) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Thanks Tore, Sorry, I've missed your second announcement,I'v been off the list myself during that time. Thank you for your reaction despite that you have those issues on yor hand. O.K, it's a deal, I'll do the update and submission of part 3228 for (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) the (...) in (...) What if the part that referenced such a primitive had a '0 invert' comment on the line before the primitive reference, if that instance of the primitive was intended to appear inside-out? (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ XFUT lugnet.cad ] Leonardo Zide: (...) URL! URL! (they yelled) Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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(...) You're a lucky person, no MS Windows ! :) You can use my LeoCAD for Linux in case you need to so view/edit LDraw files. Leonardo (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I have ended up in a place with _no_ DOS and MS-Win** systems, so I can't get to compile the updated versions of the MPD Builder and the MPD Splitter. Can I get somebody to compile these two programs and send me the binaries? I think DOS versions (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) CW, (...) as (...) What I was concerned about are situations where a single quad is used as the outside of a section of a part and the inside of a section of a part. A theoritical example would be a minifig head. You could use a single 4- (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) Me too! (...) "enough rays" - exactly what stroke me too when I read Leonardo's posting! With the fast computers nowadays we could shoot millions of rays at the part from all possible viewing angles (this (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Heya ! Sorry to bothering you but I can't nowhere find part nr. 2409 big corner panel. I downloaded complet parts database and I also looked through all updates but I can't find it. Please help me get this part. Thanks ! Rene e-mail: (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I agree with Chris. Putting color names in parts just seems wrong to me. Isn't the gray notchless version used in modern sets such as the wildwest miningish set (bandit's hideaway?) and for overhead crane rails in 4555? I could be wrong. But I'd (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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There are commands in 3DS and 3DSMAX to "unify" normals (normals are what we're discussing... the vector that points perpendicular to a face, indicating which side is "out", which side is shaded or rendered)... i would assume there is documentation (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Leonardo Zide <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:37F24ACE.49636F....com.br... (...) What if when a ray intersected 3 surfaces, it made the first CCW, the last CW, and left the middle surface unmarked. If you traced enough rays from (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Before you commit the part names containing _blue_ or _grey_, I think I am right in saying that the version without the notches exists in grey too. Chris (...) the (...) - (...) #767) (...) part (...) the (...) adding (...) separate (...) part (...) (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I miss that kind of discussion, those were very interesting subjects. Also, where's Jeff Findley ? (...) I've already thought about a ray intersection algorithm but I've never tried to implement it, I might try do it now. Some problems that I (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I did reply the mail and had no delivery failure message. Since there is nothing private in it, I paste in the reply here. See below. Thanks Mike and Mookie for the backup. :) As you can see, Manfred did offer me to do the work if I felt I didn't (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | CW/CCW, vertex sequence, co-planar, convex, (115kB) [DAT]
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Here are 50 messages regarding the above subjects. The first from January 1998 where Leonardo Zide suggested CW/CCW. I support the CW/CCW idea (isn't it annoying knowing almost 50% of all faces are drawn to waste), though it will cost a considerable (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Read this: (URL) think you'll agree Tore has more important things to deal with than virtual plastic bricks. (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Give Tore some time, he's dealing with some Family stuff right now, and that takes priority over anything here. Hopefully he'll be back to us soon though :) Of course we are all sending Tore Happy thoughts and Good wishes :) Tamy (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello Tore, Do you have another E-mail adress, technical problems, or are you too involved with some other issue ? I've send a mail about part #3228 to your pesonal address about one week ago. Should I send it again ? Greetings, Manfred Moolhuysen. (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Parts for MLcad
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You have to run the makelist.exe program. Then MLcad will know they are there (in LDraw/parts, of course). -John Van Rene Virsik <virsik@usaf.org> wrote in message news:FIqy1x.7JF@lugnet.com... (...) them (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I do have some old messaged but I couldn't find that thread, do you need anything to complete your collection ? :) If the list still exists, then maybe the archive is there too ? Leonardo (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Parts for MLcad
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Heya ! How can I get parts to MLcad ? Where may I load them ? I have them in my LDraw directory, but where may I load them if I want use them in MLcad ? Thanx. Rene e-mail: virsik@sco.svf.stuba.sk (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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