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Maybe we're approaching this from the wrong direction. Forgive me if it sounds like my church background sounds like it'scoming thru, but here we go-- First there was darkness. From the darkness arose The Internet! Many thronged to this internet and (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) This wasn't in reference directly to 'the incident'. This was in reference to the perception that the administration is cloistered, 'working furiously'on a 'boldnew future' for LUGNET and will come outwith it when they're good and ready. Thus, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) ? Sorry, could you clarify that? Every reviewing action lately has been seen, there haven't been any non public timeouts given in quite a while. (...) ? Can you clarify that? I see no signs of that! (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) So, the democratic association rules on certain tabled options and in turn passes those options agreed upon to the aristocracy? How is that better exactly? -Duane (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I think the problem is the way it's presented. Please, don't ever tell people not to talk about it. Telling people "this decision is final, don't discuss it anymore" is very stand-offish. You're right, the decision may indeed be final, but at (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) LUGNET is not a democracy. A members association could be. Cheers Richie Dulin (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) And as part of the admin staff, what are you going to do about this 'crux'? Wishing it away will not make it go away. Whereas I may agree that 'the community' may need to 'cut some slack' (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> We haven't really seen 'em, so how can we tell if they're incorrect? It's a matter of trust. Well, a prime minister of some country got on the telly last night and talked about (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Nicely said, Larry. However, wouldn't you agree that, in specific instances (especially as we've seen recently) that there needs to be debate, especially since if there's a perceived (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) PS, that's just the sort of "picking at every word" (questioning "endless" when you know what was meant) that deters participation. (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Sorry, that was rhetoric. LUGNET is not infinite so there never has been an "endless" one. But there have been lots of interminable ones, don't you agree? (...) For a "made up" example The decision would be "person A gets a timeout of 48 hours (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I think we are getting to the crux here, but I will go back over the rest of the post later, and see if there's anything I think warrants further examination. (...) Please point me to an endless debate. (...) Of course. (...) OK, I'm not (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I was referring to the whole thing. What specifically do you disagree with? This is an important point that bears repeating: " endless debate (about specific reviewing actions) has proven (in many many other places, not just here) not to be (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I'm not sure exactly which part you're referring to so I'll just look at the last paragraph. I agree debate is not going to change the initial decision, but it CAN point out fallacies in the decision process that could lead ANOTHER decision (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Let's clarify what's meant when that sort of thing is said. (and what was omitted when it was said) This is, at some level, a governance question (governance in the general sense of "how things are organised") It's important to distinguish (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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To Lenny, Ross, and others: I may have hastily threw the idea out there, but picture it being more like an orgization similar to ILTCO. ILTCO is comprised of many LTCs and is one voice for them all when dealing with TLC... "Leonard Hoffman" (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I too see this as unnecessary - there is still no requirement for the administration to act on any recommendations of the LMA, in effect they can say, as they have already done several times now, "We have made the decision and will not respond (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I'm not sure how this would operate differently than what we have now. Members can all make suggestions to the admin.suggestions, and the Admins read them all. Right now implementation of suggestions is a bit difficult due to needed code (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Rob, I like this idea very much. I'd be happy to become a member. Kevin (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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| | LUGNET members association
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I move to form a new organization (not led by myself), that consists of members (if you aren't a member of LUGNET, what's the holdup?) of the LUGNET community. The association would govern the majority of the members needs, desires, problems, (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions) !
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