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The whole story?
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lugnet.admin.general
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Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:13:36 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Ken Nagel wrote:
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Furthermore while my friends and acquaintances know I work at a Lego retail
store. When I post here however I’m on my own. It’s not something I put in
my posts. Taking care of the stock room and sweeping the floor once or twice
a week Doesn’t qualify me as an insider. I find my information the same
place most of you do, through the internet. However since this
“administrator” decided to raise that flag I was fired “for being a member
of “that” AFOL web site”.
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Wow, that just completely sucks. And it seems more than a bit unfair, since
I’ve seen employees at a LEGO Imagination Center store READING LUGNET ON THE
STORE COMPUTERS!!!
Ken, you have my sympathy. I think LEGO really screwed you over on this one.
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Assuming that’s actually why he was terminated. Everyone is jumping to the
conclusion that they have the whole story, all the facts. As we have seen so
many times before, that may not be the case. There may be more to this than
that. Who knows? Certainly, none of us do. And I’m not sure that LEGO HR is
necessarily going to explain why they terminated someone, in detail, for privacy
reasons.
But I’ll tell you this, I find it highly doubtful that anyone from LEGO would
be terminated merely for being a member of LUGNET. Even if, unlike most everyone
else here that works for LEGO, they chose not to do the right thing and state
that they were an employee in their posts here.
Ken is going around saying “that administrator” “outed” him. Without going into
whether that terminology (and much of the rest of his phrasing in this) is
baiting or appropriate(1), I’ll say this, Ken made no secret at all on the
Chicago-Lego yahoo group that he was an employee, it was featured in a lot of
his posts there. Including posts, as I recall, that gave information about
unannounced product. That’s typically not something that is looked on kindly
by employers.
I do not recall any statement by him in those posts that he wanted his
employment kept secret. Rather, he seemed rather proud of it there. That’s where
I learned it. That list is one that anyone can apply to join, with moderator
approval. I did not realise that he wanted it kept secret, how would I know?
But perhaps, just perhaps, when whoever terminated him did so, what they meant
by “that AFOL list” (or whatever the phrasing is) was the chicago-lego list, the
one where he said he was an employee and where he shared unannounced product
information, information that hasn’t been seen anywhere else as I recall.
Might have missed it, but I do get to a LOT of places.
I think if there are further apologies warranted, that they need to come from
Ken. His actions here in this thread are out of line.
That isn’t because I have an “ax to grind” or because I “bear him animosity”,
because I don’t. I just think he’s lashing out because he’s upset that he got
terminated. And who wouldn’t be? But that’s no excuse for abusive behaviour. And
in my view, he needs to sit back, think about what he has been saying and see if
there isn’t stuff he wants to retract.
And, for another thing, I’m at a loss as to why he mailed all the admins(2)
except me? Why not start with me first? That’s what we recommend, after all. As
I said, I saw my post as a harmless joke, and further, one not even directed at
him, but rather at whoever wrote the copy. Had he mailed me first about it, and
said in a nice tone that he was upsset about it, I no doubt would have promptly
cancelled it with an apology directly to him by reply email.
++Lar
1 - for those keeping score at home, I counted several ToS violations in this
thread by him so far.
2 - as it turned out, the address he used for Kelly wasn’t forwarded (oops! our
bad, Todd has fixed it now) the mail to Matt went into his spam filter(3), and
Matt is a new father today(4) so was a bit preoccupied this week, the address
Ken used for Todd isn’t checked that often and gets a lot of mail (oops again!
our bad, but there you are), Frank was preoccupied (our bad again!) and we
haven’t heard from Lenny about whether he got it or not, but we know he went on
holiday early this week and doesn’t have email access. As it turns out, the only
person that would probably have gotten it and responded right away was me, but
he left me off the list. For whatever reason.
A general note here... if you email all or some of us and don’t hear back, don’t
assume we got it and are deliberately ignoring you. Assume the worst about the
email delivery process, and try again. Use some different addresses if you need
to. Only after you’ve tried multiple times, should you start posting. And even
then, your first post ought to just be a “hey I sent some email, can you check
it out” rather than a full on flame.
3 - The spammers who say that spam is harmless and all we have to do is filter
it are missing the point. The real damage is false positives. TWICE now in a
week, something bad has happened on LUGNET at least partly because a spam filter
shunted valid email off to the side and it was missed by the recepient.
4 - Congrats for that!
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) You are pathetic. I guess your apology wasn’t worth the keystrokes it took to enter it. The manager had in his hands printouts of my posts. (...) I don't have to say it. It's there for everyone to refere back to. (...) That info came from (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
| | | Re: The whole story?
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| (...) I recieved it. I wish I had replied with a message that said "Thank you for bringing this to my attention." But I wouldn't have recommended Lar for a timeout (he was obviously trying to joke), and I'm not entirely sure my email would have (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| (...) Wow, that just completely sucks. And it seems more than a bit unfair, since I've seen employees at a LEGO Imagination Center store READING LUGNET ON THE STORE COMPUTERS!!! Ken, you have my sympathy. I think LEGO really screwed you over on this (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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