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Re: Can we help?
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lugnet.admin.general
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Date:
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Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:08:19 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote:
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It seems like the definition of what is on-topic for .general is very
elastic. If a post shows up in .general which could conceivably show up in a
more specific newsgroup, does that mean it’s off-topic for general? If so,
than the last 25 posts to .general are all off-topic.
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We are in the process of discussing use of .general. It is my opinion that
.general should be used for things that no other better group exists for. If a
particular topic is blossoming in .general, it may be time for a new group to be
created. There is probably a small amount of discussion that could belong in
.general long term, but I haven’t quite clarified that for myself yet.
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It looks to me like the only posts that admins wield the force-FUT against
are those that offend or annoy the powers that be (color change, criticism of
admins, etc.).
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The color change discussion was dominating .general, and additionally was
upsetting a significant number of folks, so we created a new group for it.
Really no different than when other new groups have been created in the past
except for the hightened emotions on the subject.
Criticism of admins (in their admininstrative role) already has a correct place,
lugnet.admin.general (or one of the other admin groups if more appropriate - for
example, criticism of curators belongs in lugnet.admin.curators).
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I’m not going to debate whether mockery as a rhetorical device is
appropriate, but I am curious about the “Anti Baiting rules”.
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There is vague language in the TOS. There are also explicit posts by Todd and
Suzanne. The TOS do need updating and I appologize that we have not made
progress on that.
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Again, my mistake about the ability to move posts. But why not get the
poster’s consent before forcing the FUT?
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In part that would be impractical. The overriding of FUTs is generally used in
situations where a topic has blown out of control, and we usually need to
override FUT on a bunch of posts. Delaying action until all posters had
responded would make the job impossible since new posters would have posted in
the wrong place and now need to be contacted for consent. We also generally do
not step in until folks have been publicly asking for the discussion to be taken
to the proper place and people have not responded (if you want, think of us as
the police coming to shut down a party because the hosts have not responded to
their neighbors complaints - except we don’t shut down the party - we just put a
fence in the front yard that people can jump over if they choose). Note also
that we are NOT changing the original poster’s content, we are just controlling
how the news system as a whole handles the suggestion of where replies go. The
system also exerts prior restraint in specific situations (for example, you
can’t post to a .announce group without a FUT).
We are considering some additional automatic constraints to help enforce the
purpose of lugnet.general.
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If 90% of LUGNET doesn’t read it, then it’s a pretty dark corner. And there’s
no way of knowing whether people are intersting in debating the admins’
force-FUT power, since 90% will never know that the debate is happening.
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The existence of admin is not hidden. If people choose not to check out what is
going on in administration land, that’s their perogative. Note that we always
include the original group on our announcement of FUT overrides (it really isn’t
force FUTting because you can override our override) so the actions are NOT
invisible, just any followup discussion (which the user can go look for if they
wonder what’s up after seeing the original administrative post).
Frank
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Message is in Reply To:
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| (...) It seems like the definition of what is on-topic for .general is very elastic. If a post shows up in .general which could conceivably show up in a more specific newsgroup, does that mean it's off-topic for general? If so, than the last 25 (...) (20 years ago, 2-Nov-04, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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