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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Reinhard “Ben” Beneke wrote:
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Hi all!
In the past we have collected some demands we train heads have on driver
wheels. These have been requested several times at TLC so far.
Here comes the wishlist to make up a draft for a new driver wheel:
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One question, I can’t really tell from the images:
Is the distance between the axle hole and the peg hole a standard stud
distance?
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Good question! It “arguably” doesn’t matter as much as some distances though,
unless you plan to mount something between them. In many applications you
just have the main rod and or connecting rod to deal with and the
eccentricity they have is only a factor in considering how much connecting
rod and piston rod throw you’re going to have to deal with.
Still it would be nice to know. Personally I hope it’s rather short.
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Well, I know how pointless it would be to “argue” with Lar (grin), but it
would seem silly to not have this be a standard distance. I could easily
imagine using a Technic cam or 1x3 liftarm on a wheel. (John frantically
searching for FTX reference for displaying LDraw images and not finding it...)
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Reinhard “Ben” Beneke wrote:
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Hi all!
In the past we have collected some demands we train heads have on driver
wheels. These have been requested several times at TLC so far.
Here comes the wishlist to make up a draft for a new driver wheel:
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snip
One question, I can’t really tell from the images:
Is the distance between the axle hole and the peg hole a standard stud
distance?
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Hi John,
thanks for bringing up this question! I was thinking about this for a while
myself and I decided to do it in a distance of 8 mm (which is same as two stud
centers next to each other on a 1x2 brick - or holes in a technick beam.)
You nearly could have guessed it out of the picture above, the inner black line
is the diameter of a 1x1 round plate (=8mm).
my Homepage:
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Good question! It “arguably” doesn’t matter as much as some distances
though, unless you plan to mount something between them. In many
applications you just have the main rod and or connecting rod to deal with
and the eccentricity they have is only a factor in considering how much
connecting rod and piston rod throw you’re going to have to deal with.
Still it would be nice to know. Personally I hope it’s rather short.
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Well, I know how pointless it would be to “argue” with Lar (grin), but it
would seem silly to not have this be a standard distance. I could easily
imagine using a Technic cam or 1x3 liftarm on a wheel. (John frantically
searching for FTX reference for displaying LDraw images and not finding
it...)
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, Reinhard “Ben” Beneke wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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One question, I can’t really tell from the images:
Is the distance between the axle hole and the peg hole a standard stud
distance?
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Hi John,
thanks for bringing up this question! I was thinking about this for a while
myself and I decided to do it in a distance of 8 mm (which is same as two
stud centers next to each other on a 1x2 brick - or holes in a technick
beam.)
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Oh, that’s exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks!!
Now, as I brought up several days ago -- can I get a dozen in black? :-)
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Reinhard “Ben” Beneke wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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One question, I can’t really tell from the images:
Is the distance between the axle hole and the peg hole a standard stud
distance?
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Hi John,
thanks for bringing up this question! I was thinking about this for a while
myself and I decided to do it in a distance of 8 mm (which is same as two
stud centers next to each other on a 1x2 brick - or holes in a technick
beam.)
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Oh, that’s exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks!!
Now, as I brought up several days ago -- can I get a dozen in black? :-)
JohnG, GMLTC
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Another few issues with clearances - I wonder if you’ve considered all these...
It looks to me as though if you did use a centre round plate, a coupling rod
would have a hard time clearing the stud. Not a problem to leave it off though.
Half-plate thickness lift-arms actually enclose the end of the dark-grey
half-pin and half of the ridge around its mid-section. Would they clear the rim
of the wheel if attached as a coupling rod?
The spacer ring on the inside of the wheel needs to be carefully designed so
that it doesn’t sink in to a technic hole, causing the rear of the dark grey pin
to rub.
If you space the wheel out too much though, you couldn’t use an ordinary technic
pin (or ball-type steering pin) and stay within an 8-wide loading gauge.
Jason Railton
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In lugnet.trains, Reinhard “Ben” Beneke wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Reinhard “Ben” Beneke wrote:
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Hi all!
In the past we have collected some demands we train heads have on driver
wheels. These have been requested several times at TLC so far.
Here comes the wishlist to make up a draft for a new driver wheel:
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snip
One question, I can’t really tell from the images:
Is the distance between the axle hole and the peg hole a standard stud
distance?
|
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Hi John,
thanks for bringing up this question! I was thinking about this for a while
myself and I decided to do it in a distance of 8 mm (which is same as two
stud centers next to each other on a 1x2 brick - or holes in a technick
beam.)
You nearly could have guessed it out of the picture above, the inner black
line is the diameter of a 1x1 round plate (=8mm).
my Homepage:
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Good question! It “arguably” doesn’t matter as much as some distances
though, unless you plan to mount something between them. In many
applications you just have the main rod and or connecting rod to deal with
and the eccentricity they have is only a factor in considering how much
connecting rod and piston rod throw you’re going to have to deal with.
Still it would be nice to know. Personally I hope it’s rather short.
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Well, I know how pointless it would be to “argue” with Lar (grin), but it
would seem silly to not have this be a standard distance. I could easily
imagine using a Technic cam or 1x3 liftarm on a wheel. (John frantically
searching for FTX reference for displaying LDraw images and not finding
it...)
JohnG, GMLTC
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Sorry,I have not had time to read all of the posts on this subject.
I would love to see TLC make these wheels. But, I don’t think that they ever
will. SADLY ,the 12v era has gone. Even though 12v wheels still work fine on 9v
.rails.
Being this , was any AFOL planing to start making some new steam train wheels?
In RED,BLACK & GRAY. As I would like to get some . I’m guessing that they won’t
be cheap. As A mould would have to be made. Perfect design BEN !! Many thanks ,
Teunis.
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In lugnet.trains, Teunis Davey wrote:
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Being this , was any AFOL planing to start making some new steam train
wheels? In RED,BLACK & GRAY. As I would like to get some . I’m guessing that
they won’t be cheap. As A mould would have to be made. Perfect design BEN !!
Many thanks , Teunis.
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To answer your question, Yes. Based on some ‘inside’ information, somebody is
making train drive wheels. I’ve heard they will be available for purchase
certainly before christmas.
It leaves me wondering, how much would you pay? What is a fair price?
Cheers.
Ben Fleskes
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In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Teunis Davey wrote:
snip
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Being this , was any AFOL planing to start making some new steam train
wheels? In RED,BLACK & GRAY. As I would like to get some . I’m guessing that
they won’t be cheap. As A mould would have to be made. Perfect design BEN !!
Many thanks , Teunis.
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To answer your question, Yes. Based on some ‘inside’ information, somebody
is making train drive wheels. I’ve heard they will be available for purchase
certainly before christmas.
It leaves me wondering, how much would you pay? What is a fair price?
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I’ll toss out a number: $10 for a pair of them...
Of course that means I’d be paying $60 for enough of them to rebuild my
Challenger! :-)
Whatever, it’s only money. I’ve already spent a bunch on other BrickLink orders
for parts, why not spend some more for wheels?
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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I’ll toss out a number: $10 for a pair of them...
Of course that means I’d be paying $60 for enough of them to rebuild my
Challenger! :-)
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Oh yea, and another $40 for the 4-8-4 #261 I’m working on... ;-)
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I’ll toss out a number: $10 for a pair of them...
Of course that means I’d be paying $60 for enough of them to rebuild my
Challenger! :-)
Whatever, it’s only money. I’ve already spent a bunch on other BrickLink
orders for parts, why not spend some more for wheels?
JohnG, GMLTC
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This seems a pretty reasonable price (from the market point of view, I don’t
know about production costs) especially when compared to the price of the large
spoked wheel. On bricklink at the moment the cheapest is $4 for a pair and the
average is $7.30 and these are in limited quantities + only in red!
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogPriceGuide.asp?P=35&colorID=5
Tim
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> This seems a pretty reasonable price (from the market point of view, I don't
> know about production costs) especially when compared to the price of the
> large spoked wheel.
I don't think that the fair price for an item that can be produced in almost
unlimited quantity (and in fact will have to be produced in large quantity
to create return on investment) can reasonably be compared to the price for
a collector's item that is long out of production.
That is not to say, I wouldn't pay $10 per pair (as I posted before), but at
least in my case, the ROI would be higher with a significantly lower price.
Avaiability in multiple colors (black being my next favorite) will probably
also help with that matter ...
Greetings
Horst
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John Gerlach wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes wrote:
> > In lugnet.trains, Teunis Davey wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > Being this , was any AFOL planing to start making some new steam train
> > > wheels? In RED,BLACK & GRAY. As I would like to get some . I'm guessing
> > > that they won't be cheap. As A mould would have to be made. Perfect
> > > design BEN !! Many thanks , Teunis.
> >
> > To answer your question, Yes. Based on some 'inside' information,
> > somebody
> > is making train drive wheels. I've heard they will be available for
> > purchase certainly before christmas.
> >
> > It leaves me wondering, how much would you pay? What is a fair price?
>
>
> I'll toss out a number: $10 for a pair of them...
With such prices I'd only buy those I'd need right away, and certainly none
to stock "in case"
If OTOH it would be around $5 per pair, I'd easily buy 20-30 pairs, just to
make sure I don't run out. (Somewhere in my head I've got plans for a
German BR43 and BR50 class, as well as a Dutch 1000 series electric engine)
--
Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/
Brick Piles | Santa Fe B-unit
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In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Teunis Davey wrote:
snip
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Being this , was any AFOL planing to start making some new steam train
wheels? In RED,BLACK & GRAY. As I would like to get some . I’m guessing that
they won’t be cheap. As A mould would have to be made. Perfect design BEN !!
Many thanks , Teunis.
|
To answer your question, Yes. Based on some ‘inside’ information, somebody
is making train drive wheels. I’ve heard they will be available for purchase
certainly before christmas.
It leaves me wondering, how much would you pay? What is a fair price?
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well... something more than what I am getting parts for out of the 3033’s I
bought on sale ( about 1.2 cents a piece) and something less than what I paid
for my last service pack of larger drivers. I can’t find the number for it
offhand, service packs are hard to search for... but it has two pair and they;re
the larger drivers... it MIGHT be this one:
Nope, those are the smaller black spokers, these are the larger red ones... it’s
either this one
or this one
part 4180c04 is the part number I think but Peeron doesn’t have a pic
These larger drivers are the ones ues in 7750:
The packs are hard to find, and I was happy to get the one I did... I paid 30
Euros for (and thought I got a pretty good deal on it) at LegoWorld from Henry’s
Brickjewels...
(BTW the 7750 inventory is wrong, it omits these wheels of which I speak!
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/inv/sets/7750-1?withpics=no )
So, somewhere between 1.2 cents each and 10 euros or so.. Does that help?
OK more seriously these things can’t be cheap, there are tooling costs to
recoup. The demand is probably inelastic up to a point at which point it turns
elastic. To see what I mean...
I’d pay 5 to 10 a pair without even blinking but I bet that requires a huge
production run to recoup your costs so I’d be resigned to paying somewhat more
than that I guess. Price them at 50 a pair and I’d be thinking pretty hard about
how badly I wanted to build big electric locomotives (remember, these spoked
drivers would be good for large european electrics too!) and big steamers...
So you need to find the knee in the demand curve. Maybe price them really high
and lower the price over time till sales stop increasing?
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
No it doesn’t they are bricks with wheels, not wheels attached to bricks. :-)
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In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Teunis Davey wrote:
snip
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Being this , was any AFOL planing to start making some new steam train
wheels? In RED,BLACK & GRAY. As I would like to get some . I’m guessing that
they won’t be cheap. As A mould would have to be made. Perfect design BEN !!
Many thanks , Teunis.
|
To answer your question, Yes. Based on some ‘inside’ information, somebody
is making train drive wheels. I’ve heard they will be available for purchase
certainly before christmas.
It leaves me wondering, how much would you pay? What is a fair price?
Cheers.
Ben Fleskes
|
It’s can only be an educated guess but further to this does anyone have an idea
of the quantities that would sell. While a lot of AFOLS seem to have an
unlimited budget many don’t (like myself!) thus while I would like about 12
axles/24 wheels; I would probably only get 3-4 axles and maybe some more later,
this would not really be affected by the price. (3-4 axles could be pretty much
said to be a minimum order.)
How many train modelling AFOLs are there out there? Most do probably not
read/post here and sof course some won’t be on the net at all.
Tim
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In lugnet.trains, Tim David wrote:
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How many train modelling AFOLs are there out there? Most do probably not
read/post here and of course some won’t be on the net at all.
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That’s why you’d need an extra pair of wheels to show people at train shows.
Have a business card (or a link on your website) to the Bricklink store where
??? is selling them. Make it simple for people to get these, and I think they’d
become quite popular.
And it just came to me that a wheel like this would look great on my keychain.
Yea, I’m a geek... :-)
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Tim David wrote:
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How many train modelling AFOLs are there out there? Most do probably not
read/post here and of course some won’t be on the net at all.
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That’s why you’d need an extra pair of wheels to show people at train shows.
Have a business card (or a link on your website) to the Bricklink store where
??? is selling them. Make it simple for people to get these, and I think
they’d become quite popular.
And it just came to me that a wheel like this would look great on my
keychain. Yea, I’m a geek... :-)
JohnG, GMLTC
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All good ideas! Heck, GREAT ideas. The keychain ones could be the ones that got
rejected for being poorly formed or out of round or whatever...
Pardon me while I dip into “fantasy mode”... Suppose LEGO themselves got behind
third party efforts and put a link to the site of whoever’s doing this... (and
to custom kit designers and to Little Armory and etc) Just a bare link with a
disclaimer saying they had no responsibility. Would that be cool or what?
Never happen, but if you really want VOLUME (which drives costs down) there you
go... that would be the way!!!!
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In lugnet.trains, Tim David wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Teunis Davey wrote:
snip
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Being this , was any AFOL planing to start making some new steam train
wheels? In RED,BLACK & GRAY. As I would like to get some . I’m guessing
that they won’t be cheap. As A mould would have to be made. Perfect design
BEN !! Many thanks , Teunis.
|
To answer your question, Yes. Based on some ‘inside’ information, somebody
is making train drive wheels. I’ve heard they will be available for
purchase certainly before christmas.
It leaves me wondering, how much would you pay? What is a fair price?
Cheers.
Ben Fleskes
|
It’s can only be an educated guess but further to this does anyone have an
idea of the quantities that would sell. While a lot of AFOLS seem to have an
unlimited budget many don’t (like myself!) thus while I would like about 12
axles/24 wheels; I would probably only get 3-4 axles and maybe some more
later, this would not really be affected by the price. (3-4 axles could be
pretty much said to be a minimum order.)
How many train modelling AFOLs are there out there? Most do probably not
read/post here and sof course some won’t be on the net at all.
Tim
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I would buy 12 axels, in all three colours !! Red , Black & Gray.
Total 36 axels @ $10us each ??? = $360us ???
But, for me to spend that sort of money the design would have to be perfected.
So that they work perfectly on 9v & 12v rails. And the push rods run smooth.
What about a Blind Driver ??? Many thanks,Teunis.
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> It leaves me wondering, how much would you pay? What is a fair price?
It's hard to tell what a "fair" price is, because I have no idea what the
tooling cost will be, nor how many of them can be realistically sold at
which price point.
I would like to buy three to six pairs of them, maybe more, but that depends
on price. At $10 a pair I would probably stay with tree pairs, when the
price is more like $5 a pair, I would certainly purchase more than six
pairs.
Don't know whether this is realistic or helpful ...
Greetings
Horst
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach wrote:
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Is the distance between the axle hole and the peg hole a standard stud
distance?
|
Good question! It “arguably” doesn’t matter as much as some distances
though, unless you plan to mount something between them. In many
applications you just have the main rod and or connecting rod to deal with
and the eccentricity they have is only a factor in considering how much
connecting rod and piston rod throw you’re going to have to deal with.
Still it would be nice to know. Personally I hope it’s rather short.
|
Well, I know how pointless it would be to “argue” with Lar (grin), but it
would seem silly to not have this be a standard distance.
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Ya I agree. I was only saying that in the universe of design decisions, some
matter more than others and this one matters less. But Ben’s design does indeed
use a standard distance...
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I could easily
imagine using a Technic cam or 1x3 liftarm on a wheel. (John frantically
searching for FTX reference for displaying LDraw images and not finding
it...)
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I look for that reference a lot too. I find it this way, via a trick I learned a
while back, maybe it will help you too. The “more” link on the side of the post
box when posting in FTX mode leads you here:
http://www.lugnet.com/publish/ftx/guide/ftx-refcard-600x525.html
delete the html part so all you have left is this: (this is the key thing to
remember):
http://www.lugnet.com/publish/ftx/guide/
and that’s your guide. Midway down the page is the info on inserting LDraw
parts, which takes you here
http://www.lugnet.com/publish/ftx/guide/ldrawparts
so the cam you want is
Hope that helps!
And oh by the way, I got my wish, Ben’s throw IS rather short, just one stud.
Some freight engines have higher eccentricity but I think short throw is a good
compromise.
++Lar
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